Confusing Chatburns of Keighley

[Ermintrude46]

Hello,
Apologies for the length of this post, attempting to get things tidy in my mind!

I'm trying to pin down parents for my 4x great grandmother, Margaret Chatburn who was baptised at Halifax in 1771 (daughter of John, labourer of Halifax) and married Joseph Hindle at Keighley in 1792. John and his un-named spouse/any siblings for Margaret are proving very elusive.  A lot of trees on Ancestry have John married to Dorothy Hey and living/dying in the Waddington area but I'm not totally convinced (although there does seem to be a handy gap in the family around the 1770s.....)

However, there is a burial of a John Chatburn aged 79 in Keighley in 1819, could this potentially be Margaret's father?? It looks like very nearly all the Chatburns in Keighley in the 1760s to 1800s are descendants of Henry Chatburn who married twice and had a gazillion children, many of whom died in infancy. The exception seems to be a Thomas Chatburn who was born around 1765 (place unknown), married Sarah Midgley in 1791 at Keighley and died there in 1820.  His son, John bn 1793 married Mary Banks in 1817 and died at the age of 28 (all in Keighley). What peaked my interest is that one of the witnesses at John and Mary's wedding was a James Hindle, quite possibly the son of my Joseph and Margaret Hindle nee Chatburn....

John and Mary's son William was baptised in Keighley in 1818.  William appears in the censuses in Keighley living in Wellington Street but has some stray Chatburns living/staying with him:

1851 Paulina Chatburn, shown as a lodger, widow aged 60. 
1861 Sally Chatburne, shown as 'grandmother' aged 72 (but that's practically impossible at the given age!)

Keighley PR has a burial for a Patty Chatburn in 1865, aged 76 from Wellington Street - is this Paulina or Sally or perhaps Martha Chatburn who is in the Keighley directory as a butcher in Wellington Street in 1822?  Are these all the same woman?  And who is she to William?!

This may well be a diversion but I'm hooked on the mystery now and would really appreciate some fresh eyes.
Best,
Ermy

[ColC]

I’m not sure Margaret Chatburn 14 Jul 1771 Halifax, who seems to be an only child, is connected to the family below?

On freereg.

John CHATBURN to Dorothy HEYS both otp.
Marriage 24 Sep 1763 Yorkshire, West Riding
Waddington: Capella: Other Transcript
Witnesses Thomas CROASDELL & Heny CHATBURN  (As transcribed)

The Baptisms below on Ancestry, also on Freereg with the abodes noted.

Baptisms (Robert & Henry had children baptised in same period).

Father John abode Bradford
John Chatburn 28 Dec 1763 Waddington,York – buried 16 Oct 1763, abode Bradford. A second record, same detail on  2 Jan 1764?

Father John of Waddington
Ann Chatburn 12 Dec 1773 Waddington,York – buried 20 Jul 1773, abode Waddington

Father John abode Bradford
Ellen Chatburn 26 Apr 1778 Waddington,York

Father John of Waddington
Thomas Chadburn 14 May 1780 Waddington,York

Ellin CHADBURN Wife of John Chadburn
Burial 5 Mar 1783 Yorkshire, West Riding
Waddington : Capella : Other Transcript

John CHATBURN Burial
30 Mar 1786 Yorkshire, West Riding
Waddington : Capella : Other Transcript
Abode Bradford.

Dorothy CHATBURN Widow of ? Chatburn, abode Bradford.
Burial 31 Mar 1806
Yorkshire, West Riding
Waddington : Capella : Other Transcript

There only seems to be one John in the area?

Colin

[Ermintrude46]

Thanks a lot for your message, Colin.  No, I'm not convinced Margaret belongs with the Waddington Chatburn family/families either ... although there is a good gap where she could potentially fit.  There may have been two John's in that area at some point, one married to Dorothy Heys and one married to an Ellen/Ellin, so annoying that mother's names were not recorded at baptisms which would have shown what was going on so much more clearly!

I think it's a possibility that the Thomas Chatburn born around 1765 and living/marrying/dying in Keighley could be Margaret's brother.  His son John's marriage was witnessed by someone with the same name and of appropriate age as one of Margaret's sons.  There is a draft conveyance from 1769 in the Halifax records office which mentions a John Chatburn as occupier of a cottage in Gaol Lane, Halifax.  I'm planning to order a copy on the faint off chance there is any additional information about this John. 

I'm going to do a trawl of the Keighley burial registers too, to see if I can pick up any other Chatburns or additional info like address which often isn't transcribed and which might help to tie family members together.  Otherwise, I think I'm a bit stuck!
Best wishes,
Annette

[ColC]

Margaret Chatburn 14 Jul 1771 Halifax, do you any information that John was his father?

I’m sure you have seen this but they seem to be the only family at Keighley around that period. The Parish records there are on Ancestry but not always too clear.

Henry Chatburn married Rose Bland Keighley 8 Nov 1763

Keighley baptisms Henry and Rose on Ancestry (Births for most also noted)

Mary Chatburne 20 Aug 1764
**Samuel Bland Chatburn 18 September 1768 
Betty Chatburne 30 Jun 1772
Sally Chatburne 3 Apr 1774
** Henry Chatburne 22 September 1776 
** Rose Chatburn 27 April 1779 
John Chatbourne 14 Jan 1781
**Charles Chatburn 27 April 1782  
** Rose Chatburn 16 January 1785 

** These on family search but not on Ancestry.


Colin

[Ermintrude46]

Hi Colin,
Thankfully, the compiler of the Darlington, County Durham PR (where Joseph & Margaret Hindle ended up) included extra information at the baptism of their daughter, Margaret, in 1809 "4th d/ of Joseph Hindle Worsted Manufacturer of Keighley and Margaret Chatburn of Halifax".  Although, actually, I've only found two previous daughters so far, Ann baptised in Keighley 1803 (although born in 1799, five children were baptised as a group in 1803) and Matilda baptised in Halifax in 1805.  I'm also intrigued because their first child (born less than 3 weeks after Joseph and Margaret were married by licence!) was called Lewis Hindle which might be a pointer....or something....!  At all the baptisms in Keighley Margeret Hindle is recorded as Margaret, daughter of John Chatburn.

Yes, those are some of the many children of Henry Chatburn - he married for a second time, I think,  in 1787 to Sarah Milner after Rose must have died. They lost two sons both called Thomas in 1787 and 1788 which makes me think there probably wasn't also a son called Thomas with Rose....

Best wishes,
Annette

[ColC]

The only marriage I can find for John within the wider parish of Halifax?

Jno Chadburn to Salley Appleyard Banns (Bann)
25 Sep 1764 Heptonstall, St Thomas, Yorkshire. Witnesses John & Thomas Sutcliffe.

Sarah Chatburn
Father John
Burial 26 December 1768
St James, Halifax, Yorkshire,

This might be where Margaret was baptised St. James Records not on Ancestry.

Colin

[ColC]

I guess this is Joseph’s burial on freereg?
Joseph HINDLE Burial age 70
1 Jul 1840 Darlington : St Cuthbert

Although the age is out I guess this is Margaret.
HINDLE, MARGARET    99  
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in DARLINGTON UNION  Volume 10A  Page 10

1861 Darlington.
Margaret HINDLE Head W 93 born Halifax.

Colin

[Ermintrude46]

Thanks, Colin.
Halifax was a huge parish and included a number of chapels such as Heptonstall. That John Chatburn was a yeoman of Erringden(where the coiners came from!). All his children were baptised at Heptonstall but come under Halifax for the bishops transcripts etc. Margaret was baptised at St John’s, the parish church of Halifax and her father was a labourer so sadly I don’t think she is part of that Chatburn family.
Best,
Annette

[Ermintrude46]

Interestingly, as well as John Chatburn of Low Bridge, buried at Keighley in 1819 aged 79 (born 1740) I've also found a Mary Chatburn of Low Bridge buried at Keighley in 1832 aged 91 (born 1741) ...

Tempting to wonder if these are Margaret's (and perhaps Thomas's) parents...but how would I ever prove it one way or the other!
Ermy