Author Topic: FRANCIS STOVER & CATHERINE FISHER  (Read 1705 times)

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Re: FRANCIS STOVER & CATHERINE FISHER
« Reply #18 on: Monday 08 July 24 09:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks to everyone for your great effort. We have certainly got the correct William T Stover. He did live most of his live in Australia in the Rockhampton area. Those newspaper articles feels like William is talking from his grave still looking for answers to his questions.
His son Francis Peter Stover was born in Queensland, Australia in 1861, and I have been scratching my head where or when he died and/or married, as he doesn't appear anywhere around the country. Now we know at least that he went to the states. Would be interesting to know if he received any response. I haven't checked at this stage whether Catherine's parents were born in Kentucky as her brother John was, and brother Anthony was born in Tennessee and his wife Judith was also from Kentucky.
With regard to W.T.S being in the 1852 Placer County, California, I would say it is him, as when he arrived in Aust. he started mining for gold in the Mount Usher area just north of Rockhampton and his boys when they grew up also were involved. And they had some good findings over the years.

If nothing else comes for our efforts, I am very pleased with our results. More than I expected. If anything, a result of what happened to Francis Peter Stover in the US would be the icing on the cake. Thanks to everyone.
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Re: FRANCIS STOVER & CATHERINE FISHER
« Reply #19 on: Monday 08 July 24 14:14 BST (UK) »
Hello and welcome, Wildcats!

Was one of William T Stover's sons named William Joseph?

There is an inquest in Australia on a Thomas Stover, and at the bottom of the long article it mentions his nephew, William Joseph Stover.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-evening-news-thomas-stover-inquest/150904084/

I just want to make sure I am on the right track!
If so, the article mentions the name of Thomas's wife, which might help in the search if a marriage registration is available that names parents.

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Re: FRANCIS STOVER & CATHERINE FISHER
« Reply #20 on: Monday 08 July 24 15:34 BST (UK) »
William Tinsley had three sons and one daughter with Mary Ryan. They were 1. Francis Peter,  2 Mary Narcissus, 3 Joseph and 4 Thomas.
The inquest you mentioned, was following Thomas's death in 1925 regarding an accident involving a train at Rockhampton. The William Joseph you mentioned, was William Joseph Tidman George Stover
who was a grandson to William T., and his father was Joseph Stover.
The widow mentioned in the article was Thomas's wife, Edith Grace (Brett) Stover. And to confirm we are on the right track, Thomas & Edith had 8 children, 2 of which carried the names of Francis Tinsley Stover and Leslie Fisher Stover. Ancestor names from the past.

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Re: FRANCIS STOVER & CATHERINE FISHER
« Reply #21 on: Monday 08 July 24 17:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the info, Wildcats... it makes it easier to sort all these people out.  Stover is a much more popular surname than I would have guessed!

Poor William...  still hunting for his relatives in 1895 with the help of a Reverend in Missouri.  Because of the long columns in the newspaper, I have split the clips into 2 parts.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal-democrat-part-1-jones-stover/150916118/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal-democrat-part-2-jones-stover/150916205/


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Re: FRANCIS STOVER & CATHERINE FISHER
« Reply #22 on: Monday 08 July 24 18:43 BST (UK) »
…With regard to W.T.S being in the 1852 Placer County, California, I would say it is him, as when he arrived in Aust. he started mining for gold in the Mount Usher area just north of Rockhampton and his boys when they grew up also were involved. And they had some good findings over the years...

You are welcome for the help (didn’t want to ignore your thank you from earlier).

Excellent finds, bbart.

It appears that William was trying to share his good fortune with his family.  What a kind man as it appears that he not only wanted to share but he was so intent on finding them.  I hope that he had success.
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Re: FRANCIS STOVER & CATHERINE FISHER
« Reply #23 on: Monday 08 July 24 23:24 BST (UK) »
It is clear from the posted newspaper items that William T Stover knew that he was illegitimate,  knew his mother’s maiden name, and details about his step-father and step-siblings. Since the Tinsley name gets passed down in the family, one also has to assume there was knowledge of where it came from.

If you wish to pursue William’s biological father, the only chance you have of finding his name is on William’s marriage record, unless he wished to purposefully conceal it. I would speculate his father was William Tinsley, but you would want to have this confirmed directly by William T Hover himself, through his marriage record.

QLD marriage certificates after 1856 contain the couples names, ages, birth places, occupation and residence. Names and occupation of the groom’s and bride’s father and name of mother. In my experience, later ones contain more complete details.
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Event date: 10/07/1882
Event type: Marriage registration
Registration details: 1882/C/1237
 
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Re: FRANCIS STOVER & CATHERINE FISHER
« Reply #24 on: Monday 08 July 24 23:59 BST (UK) »
Francis JONES age 68 born Missouri, farmer. Residing Yolo county California 1875

Francis JONES last census sighting 1870 Saline Missouri, in the house of daughter Mary Anne THORP.
Mary Anne Jones married William MARSHALL in 1850. He died in 1869.
Mary Anne married Richard THORP in Saline in 1869.
She died in Saline in 1893. Census shows her born about 1828. So this would indicate that Francis Jones had his own children (a previous marriage?) before marrying Catherine Hover. Looks as if there was also a daughter named Grace Jones born abt 1833.
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Re: FRANCIS STOVER & CATHERINE FISHER
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 09 July 24 01:44 BST (UK) »
His son Francis Peter Stover was born in Queensland, Australia in 1861, and I have been scratching my head where or when he died and/or married, as he doesn't appear anywhere around the country. Now we know at least that he went to the states. Would be interesting to know if he received any response.

I’m not sure why your think Francis Peter Stover went to America.
His father was looking for him 1890 and advertised in a Rockhampton paper.
There are records of Francis Peter Stover in QLD in 1911 and 1913
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Re: FRANCIS STOVER & CATHERINE FISHER
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 09 July 24 08:28 BST (UK) »
I just received a copy of William Tinsley Stover marriage details to first wife Mary Ryan and his parents are listed as Francis Stover & Catherine Stover, Farmers.

I have searched again for details for Francis Peter Stover after his birth without success, checking every area known to me, But could you assist with where he was in 1911 & 1913. I have been checking all the old newspapers, in all states, but it is nearly impossible because in a lot of cases, digitisation drops  the last letter "r" and we have "stove", and Advertising adds get located in Family Search areas.