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bungleina
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Robert Anderson Turnbull or Elliot
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Monday 01 July 24 23:41 BST (UK) »
Any help finding birth of gg grandfather Robert Anderson Turnbull born around 1839 Castleton Roxburghshire. On his marriage certificate to Margaret Gunn Polson it shows his mother as Elizabeth Elliot no father named. It shows his name as Robert Anderson Elliot or Turnbull. Any ideas why it would state both names? His mother Elizabeth subsequently married Robert Young 1852 in Oxnam
Crampton and Gelder of Linconshire and Yorkshire.
Merrell Boulton Ellis of York and Leeds
Turnbull and Elliot Roxburgh Scotland
Hopton, Stringer, Sefton, Booth and Verity of Yorkshire
Dundee
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Re: Robert Anderson Turnbull or Elliot
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Tuesday 02 July 24 00:08 BST (UK) »
His father was most likely TURNBULL. I can't see a baptism in Castleton, so he may not have been baptised.
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Re: Robert Anderson Turnbull or Elliot
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Tuesday 02 July 24 00:09 BST (UK) »
Robert was using the Turnbull surname from a child
1841 census
(Andersons and Elliots in the same household)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155ebff4040b9d6e73f81b/robt-turnbull-1841-roxburghshire-castleton-1839-?locale=en
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)
Neale1961
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Re: Robert Anderson Turnbull or Elliot
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Tuesday 02 July 24 00:19 BST (UK) »
This is probably Elizabeth Elliot in
1851 census in Oxnam
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59046f05e9379091b13800b3/elisabeth-elliot-1851-roxburghshire-oxnam-1823-?locale=en
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)
Neale1961
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Re: Robert Anderson Turnbull or Elliot
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Tuesday 02 July 24 00:32 BST (UK) »
Castleton kirk session minutes are available for the relevant time period
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/virtual-volumes/volume-images/volume_data-CH2-64-3/GAZ00349?image_number=1&waypointing=open
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)
Neale1961
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Re: Robert Anderson Turnbull or Elliot
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Tuesday 02 July 24 03:36 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth (Betty) ELLIOT
was born 1821 Castleton to parents
Gideon ELLIOTT and Agnes ANDERSON
Children for Gideon and Agnes
Jean 1819
Betty 1821
Margaret 1824
Helen 1827
Mary 1830
Agnes 1832
Anne 1835
Janet 1840
When Elizabeth ELLIOT / YOUNG died in 1904 her mother is recorded as ANDERSON on the index.
By the
1841 census
, Elizabeth is away from home working, but her illegitimate son Robert Turnbull is living with his grandparents.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155ebff4040b9d6e73f81b/robt-turnbull-1841-roxburghshire-castleton-1839-?locale=en
By
1851 census
Robert Turnbull is living with Elizabeths sisters
1851 census Dykecrofts Castleton Ref 784/ 4/ 6
ELLIOT Helen Dau U F 22 Farm Servant Roxburghshire Castleton
ELLIOT Mary Dau U F 20 Farm Servant Roxburghshire Castleton
ELLIOT Janet Dau U F 12 Farm Servant Roxburghshire Castleton
TURNBULL Robert Grnson - M 12 Roxburghshire Castleton
ANDERSON Agness Grndau - F 1 Roxburghshire Castleton
Relationship for Robert to head of house is wrong. He was the nephew of Helen Elliot (and Mary and Janet)
To answer your question It shows his name as Robert Anderson Elliot or Turnbull. Any ideas why it would state both names?
His mothers name was Elliot and his fathers name was Turnbull. The name Armstrong comes from his grandmother.
It is likely that Robert was named after his father.
Have a look in the Kirk sessions to see if there is a mention.
Possible father Robert Turnbull in the 1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155ef4f4040b9d6e742d77/robert-turnbull-1841-roxburghshire-crailing-1818-?locale=en
He married Mary Brown in Sept 1841
1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59046ed7e9379091b13783f8/robert-turnbull-1851-roxburghshire-crailing-1818-?locale=en
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)
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Re: Robert Anderson Turnbull or Elliot
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Tuesday 02 July 24 09:21 BST (UK) »
Quote from: bungleina on Monday 01 July 24 23:41 BST (UK)
Any ideas why it would state both names?
Because his parents were not married to one another.
Your best chance of finding any record of his birth or baptism is the Kirk Session records, to which
Neale1961
has posted a link above.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.
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Re: Robert Anderson Turnbull or Elliot
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Tuesday 02 July 24 20:50 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your responses. I'll take a look at the kirk sessions
Crampton and Gelder of Linconshire and Yorkshire.
Merrell Boulton Ellis of York and Leeds
Turnbull and Elliot Roxburgh Scotland
Hopton, Stringer, Sefton, Booth and Verity of Yorkshire
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