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English Army deserters in the early 1800s - what would happen to them?
« on: Saturday 29 June 24 05:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone,
I have been researching a British soldier (in the Band by the looks of it), James Whitaker, in the 25th Regiment of Foot Kings Own Borderers who went AWOL from Christmas Day 1801 to 24 June 1804. He is still in the Army in 1817 when he is discharged. I thought they would have locked him up or shot him back then.
I only have downloads of the record that I cant post on here but if anyone can look up his record I'd really appreciate some help/thoughts about it.
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TillyAnn
Whittaker (originally from Newchurch, Rossendale then Manchester) and Seel (Manchester).

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Re: English Army deserters in the early 1800s - what would happen to them?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 June 24 09:44 BST (UK) »
There are two separate offences under military law: desertion and being absent without leave (AWOL). The former occurs when a soldier absconds with the intention of never returning to his unit. Absence is a short term thing, for instance due to some family or domestic situation or drunkenness etc, with the soldier often returning to his Regiment voluntarily.

Desertion was viewed in two ways: ordinary desertion would usually be punished by imprisonment, loss of pay and seniority, and reduction in rank if appropriate. But desertion in the face of the enemy (ie during active operations) was much more serious and had overtones of cowardice and letting down one's mates, and frequently lead to capital punishment by firing squad. This was particularly so during WW1 when it was deemed necessary to maintain discipline in an army largely made up of civilians. Obviously for James to be missing for a period of years, that would have been classed as desertion.

During the period 1801 - 1805 the 25th Regiment of Foot were in briefly in Gibraltar then England, so this wasn't desertion in the face of the enemy.

FindMyPast only has one reference to a James Whitaker (or Whittaker) serving in the 25th at that time, and it is taken from WO25/949 at TNA. This series of records has not been digitized, but the entry has been transcribed as James Whitaker having enlisted in the 1st Battalion 25th Regiment of Foot on 14 Apr 1801. If he was in the band, the chances are that he enlisted as a boy soldier and as such he would have treated much more leniently if he deserted before reaching the age pf 18.

Where did you find the references to his service?

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Re: English Army deserters in the early 1800s - what would happen to them?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 June 24 10:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Andy,
Thank you for explaining that.
I have been thinking he must have had a good reason to abscond for 2.5 years.
I accessed the record a few years ago on Fold3 (l'm pretty sure) when there was open access on Remembrance Day.
I have worked out that he was at Weedon (Bec) when he was discharged in 1817, part of which was a military prison.
He was around 24 when he took off.
Tilly Ann
Whittaker (originally from Newchurch, Rossendale then Manchester) and Seel (Manchester).

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Re: English Army deserters in the early 1800s - what would happen to them?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 29 June 24 11:20 BST (UK) »
One of my ancestors deserted in the 1850s. He was punished by being branded with the letter D on his chest. I think this was done with an instrument consisting of a number of metal spikes formed into a D shape.

Martin


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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 June 24 11:43 BST (UK) »
Several newspapers reported the 25th sailing for Egypt late May 1801 - see item snipped from Salisbury & Winchester Journal 1 June 1801.

The London Gazette, 22 Oct 1801, reported the 25th in action at Alexandria.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/15419/page/1281

Newspaper reports have the 25th landing Gibraltar 18 November 1801 for garrison duty.

When did James attest?

A pension record on FindMyPast has a Jas Whitaker, 25 Regt of Foot, residence Bury Lane, being admitted to pension (1s 0d), on 26 Nov 1817 - died 22 Nov 1844

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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 June 24 12:30 BST (UK) »
Sounds horrendous Martin.
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 June 24 13:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Hanes,
The record (UK Regimental Registers of Service  1756 - 1900 for James Whitaker 25th Foot Soldiers  1st Battalion 1810 - 1818) I have states James Whitaker was 24 but doesn't give me any dates so l dont know when it was written.
There is no attestment date and the earliest date on the record is 25 Dec 1801.
I haven't seen the Chelsea Pension Record but l'd be surprised if he had a pension given his misdemeanour.
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Tillyann
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Re: English Army deserters in the early 1800s - what would happen to them?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 June 24 14:24 BST (UK) »
What was his discharge date? If it is 25 Nov 1817 it "fits" his pension starting 27 Nov 1817.

Cannot reconcile his absconding Christmas Day 1801 - when by all accounts the regiment was abroad?

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 June 24 14:43 BST (UK) »
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The record (UK Regimental Registers of Service  1756 - 1900 for James Whitaker 25th Foot Soldiers  1st Battalion 1810 - 1818)

I can't find that record !
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