CARROLL Family Kilkenny Ireland

[TWad70]

Hi.

I am new to this and hoping someone can help.  My 2x Great Grandmother Ellen Carroll arrived in Australia in 1875 from Kilkenny Ireland with her family as follows:

Father: Patrick b. Circa 1840
Mother: Margaret b. circa 1837 (I believe maiden name Weldon or Weldone?)
Siblings:
Alice b circa 1856
Margaret b. circa 1858
Ellen b. circa 1860 (my GG Grandmother)
Michael b. circa 1861
Mary b. circa 1863

Also think that the eldest boy Thomas b circa 1857 arrived separately possibly 1878?

I am looking to confirm birthdates and parents of Patrick and Margaret

Thanks in advance 
Tracey 

[Neale1961]

Hello and welcome to RootsChat. 

Margaret CARROLL
QLD Death registration 1905/C/3400 
Date 11/11/1905
Mother’s name - Margaret Tobin
Father’s name - Thomas Weldon
(Do you have this document? If so please provide all details)


Ship’s manifest margin note gives her birth date as 5/7/1833


Patrick CARROLL
QLD Death rego 1901/C/4127  (Do you have this document?)
Date 5/11/1901
Mother’s name – Bridget Bourke
Father’s name – Patrick Carroll
(Do you have this document? If so please provide all details)

There is an inquest into his death available from QLD state archives


Baptism for Margaret Carroll 26 Apr. 1857 St Johns Kilkenny, (Diocese – Ossory)
Parents Patrick Carroll and Margaret Weldon
Abode Maudlin.    Godparent -  Judith Fitzpatrick
https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/fassadinin/kilmacar/kilmacar/maudlin/

Baptism for Ellen Carroll 18 Apr. 1859, St Patrick's, Kilkenny city
Parents Patrick Carroll and Margaret Wildon
Abode Watkin Row.      Godparent – Margaret McAvoy

Baptism for Michael Carrol 16 July 1861 St Canice's, Kilkenny city
Parents Pat Carroll and Margaret Weldin
Abode Water….?     Godparents – Patrick Saunders, Bridget Moylan.

If Mary was the last born in 1863, this was before civil registration in Ireland.

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There is also this with a different forename for mother
Thomas Carroll baptised 25th April 1866 St John Kilkenny
Parents Patrick Carroll and Bridget Weldon
Abode Maudlin

[Kiltaglassan]

Welcome to RootsChat 

NLI Catholic Parish Registers

St. John's, Kilkenny city
Diocese of Ossory | County of Kilkenny
Variant names: St. Johns, Kilkenny City

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0991

St. Patrick's, Kilkenny city
Diocese of Ossory | County of Kilkenny
Variant forms of parish name:
St. Patrick's, Kilkeny City

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0993

St. Canice's, Kilkenny city
Diocese of Ossory | County of Kilkenny
Variant forms of parish name:
St. Canice's
Kilkenny City
St. Canice's, Kilkenny City

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0990

[TWad70]

Thanks to you both.  I am in the process of getting the certificates for Patrick and Margaret and will add further details. 

This helps close a couple of gaps.

[Neale1961]

Can I recommend the historical source image, which is most economical and quickest to purchase.


Historical source images

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[TWad70]

Hi

So I have the historical source images for Margaret and Patrick.

Margaret is confirmed dead at 78 years on 11/11/1905 
Father: Thomas Weldon
Mother Margaret Tobin

Married to Patrick Carroll at 22 yrs in Kilkenny Ireland and spent 30 yrs in Queensland

Survived by Children
Margaret aged 44
Ellen aged 42
Michael aged 39
Mary aged 38
Thomas aged 37

Alice was deceased by that date

That almost matches what I have, but Margaret's DOB seems out of line and the ages of the children seem to be out by about 3-4 years against the shipping records and birth records from Ireland.  Is this common?

Thanks Neale1961 for you suggestion on the records.

Cheers

[TWad70]

Forgot to add that the record for Patrick Carroll doesn't match.  Says he was married to Mary Ryan and there are different children listed.  I guess I keep looking for his death

T

[Neale1961]

Are you able to attach Margaret's death certificate, or transcribe the whole detail (every single word) and post, please. All bits of detail are important - place names, peoples names, occupations, etc...

It is fairly normal for ages to be a little out, and information on death records is only as accurate as the memory or knowledge of the informant.

The more information you have about the family, the easier it might be to find Patrick's death. What was his occupation? Where were the family living? Where did Alice die? Where did Margaret die?
The marriage certificates of the various children will be useful in giving information about their father, his occupation, and if he was still alive when they married. Have you found mention of him or the family in the newspapers?
You may already have this information. If so, it would be useful to post it all here.

There are a number of Patrick Carroll death registrations, and so you would look at ways to narrow it down. Just looking at the children's names, I see there is a death in 1899 with parents Michael and Mary. These are names of 2 of his children - so it is a possibility.
So many possibilities to explore.

[TWad70]

Thanks Neale

See attached for Margaret.  I have been searching QLD BDM for Deaths for Patrick and then trying to match these through Trove to try and find/eliminate possible matches.  I must admit the 1901 death looked most promising, but I'm guessing this is part of the challenge/fun of researching