James Hendry b: 1852 Latheron, Caithness

[Isabel Griggs]

Hello, I am trying to find a birth certificate for James Hendry b: 1852, Latheron. He was my Great Grandmother's brother, Johan Hendry.

I found his marriage to Barbara Mackay.
Marriage (041/00 00181):
On the 1st of May 1891at Thurso, Caithness, Scotland James Hendry farm servant/bachelor, aged 38yrs address Hallum Reay, parents Alexander Hendry farm servant and Catherine Hendry nee Calder married Barbara Mackay domestic servant/spinster aged 24yrs address Acharemie, Reay, parents Alexander Mackay crofter/deceased and Catherine Mackay nee Mackay. Witnesses were James Mackay and Annie Hendry. Signed John B Connell Minister of the Free West & Manse, Thurso. Registered on the 2nd of May 1891, Thurso by George Geddes assistant registrar. WM Mackay registrar.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Isabel

[Forfarian]

As he was born before the start of civil registration on 1 January 1855, there is no birth certificate to look for.

Unfortunately it looks as if he is one of the many people born before 1855 whoe baptism record, if it ever existed, has not survived.

He's in the 1861 census with parents and siblings, age given as 10, which suggests he was born in 1850/1851 rather than in 1852.

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
I'm afraid you won't find a birth certificate. They didn't start in Scotland until 1855.
You can get the younger siblings but not James.
His parents Alexander  Hendry and Catherine Calder married at Lathern 2nd Jan 1852.
Their graves are on Find a Grave website at Reay New Cemetery (the age for Alexander seems a bit out)
Alex 1814- 25.7.1887
Catherine Calder Hendy 1825- 21.7.1908
son Donald 1859-1872.

Birth Certs I can see on Scots people for their children
Catharine 1856
William Goldpra 1857
Donald 1859
Mary 1861
Adam 1863
Alexander 1866
Jane 1868
Ann 1870
James 1852 ,Margaret 1853 and John 1855 ish all seem to be before birth Certs came in.
They don't seem to be baptised at the local Church of Scotland either.

1861 census Forse ,Latheron
Alexander 37 ploughman Latheron
Catherine  34 Latheron
James  10
Margaret 8
John 6
Catherine 4
William 2
Donald 1


1871 at Stirkoke Hillhead Cottage Latheron .

ps grandparents look to be William Calder b c1795 fisherman and Janet Sutherland c 1796  married 15.12.1819 and John Hendry b c 1795  and Catherine Sutherland born c 1799.

Does that help?

Ciderdrinker

[ColC]

I note the previous replies but as I have prepared this I will send it.

I note the 1861 census below on freereg, have you checked the original census records on SP?

I do not see any baptisms for those born before 1855 and only the two statutory registrations below after 1855. It is unlikely that all the records did not survive so it maybe they were not members of any Church, or lacked the funds for baptisms?

BETSY HENDRY mmn BUDGE 1858 LATHERON

CATHERINE HENDRY mmn BUDGE 1859 LATHERON

1861 – Forse, Latherton, all born there,
 

Alexr HENDRY Head 37 Ploughman
Catherine HENDRY Wife 34 Ploughman's Wife
James HENDRY Son 10 Scholar
Margaret HENDRY Dau 8 Scholar
Johan HENDRY Dau 6 Scholar
Catherine HENDRY Dau 4
William HENDRY Son 2
Donald HENDRY Son 1


Colin

[eilthireach]

Donald Henry [sic!, that's the spelling in the entry] b. 1 August, 1859, Nottinghsm, Forse, to Alexander Henry and Catherine Henry, miaden surname Calder.

"Nottingham", according to the Gazetteer for Scotland (https://www.scottish-places.info/towns/townfirst7567.html) was a historical settlement

Catherine Henry b. 11 January 1856, Forse, to Alexander Henry and Catherine Henry, maiden surname Calder

William Henry (actually recorded as William Goldfrap Sheppard Henry (!!) b. 9 October 1857, Bencheilt, Forse, to Alexander Henry and Catherine Henry, maiden surname Calder.

See Canmore and Scotlands Places : Ben-a-Chielt = A farmstead comprising two unroofed buildings, one of which is a long building, two enclosures, and a head-dyke are depicted on the 1st edition of the OS

[Isabel Griggs]

He's in the 1861 census with parents and siblings, age given as 10, which suggests he was born in 1850/1851 rather than in 1852.
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Thank you for your reply. I am sorry, I should have said that I am looking for an old parish register entry. The 1853 would have been on the Scotland census record. Could well be 1850/51
Appreciate you help,
Isabel

[Isabel Griggs]

b. 1 August 1859, Nottingham, Forse, to Alexander Henry and Catherine Henry, maiden surname Calder.

Interesting! Can I ask, please where you found this information on the spelling of the name Hendry/Henry?
All the documents that I have on Alexander Hendry and Catherine Calder the name is spelt 'Hendry'.

Marriage (O.P.R. 038/ 0030 0114):
Hendry/Calder-Alexander Hendry & Catherine Calder Forse were matrimonially contracted on the 25th of Dec and married on the 02 Jan 1852

Thank you so much for this information on 'Nottingham' much appreciated.

"Nottingham", according to the Gazetteer for Scotland (https://www.scottish-places.info/towns/townfirst7567.html) was a historical settlement


Yes, I have his birth record. Thank you. Interesting name 
William Henry (actually recorded as William Goldfrap Sheppard Henry (!!) b. 9 October 1857, Bencheilt, Forse, to Alexander Henry and Catherine Henry, maiden surname Calder.

This is his marriage record.
Marriage (Statutory Marriages 040/00 0010).:
On the 24th of Dec 1886 at Shebster, Parish of Reay, Caithness, Scotland William GFS Hendry aged 29yrs Bachelor/Farm servant, residence Hallum, Parish of Reay, parents Alexander Hendry Farm Servant and Catherine Hendry nee Calder married Isabella Rosie Munro Spinster/Farm Servant aged 18yrs, usual residence Skinid, Parish of Reay, parents Andrew Munro Farm Servant (deceased) and Dolly Munro nee Rosie. Signed D Munro Minister at Reay. Witnesses: Jas Macbeath and James Hendry. Registered on the 27th of Dec 1886 at Reay George Macleod registrar.

Appreciate this information on Ben-a-Chielt.

See Canmore and Scotlands Places: Ben-a-Chielt = A farmstead comprising two unroofed buildings, one of which is a long building, two enclosures, and a head-dyke are depicted on the 1st edition of the OS

Can't thank you enough for this information you provided.
Kind regards,
Isabel

[Isabel Griggs]

I note the previous replies but as I have prepared this I will send it.

I note the 1861 census below on freereg, have you checked the original census records on SP?

I do not see any baptisms for those born before 1855 and only the two statutory registrations below after 1855. It is unlikely that all the records did not survive so it maybe they were not members of any Church, or lacked the funds for baptisms?

BETSY HENDRY mmn BUDGE 1858 LATHERON..... Don't know this family. I take it that 'mmn' stands for mother's name? 
CATHERINE HENDRY mmn BUDGE 1859 LATHERON
1861 – Forse, Latherton, all born there, ... I appreciate this information; you never know where it will fit in 
 
Colin, this is my family! Johan is my G Grandmother.
Alexr HENDRY Head 37 Ploughman
Catherine HENDRY Wife 34 Ploughman's Wife
James HENDRY Son 10 Scholar
Margaret HENDRY Dau 8 Scholar
Johan HENDRY Dau 6 Scholar
Catherine HENDRY Dau 4
William HENDRY Son 2
Donald HENDRY Son 1


Colin, I appreciate you sending me the information. An interesting snippet... in 1939, Johan known as Johanna married to William Campbell (yes, same person. Robert Manson died) noted her birth as 17 Mar 1851. I haven't found any evidence yet, but you would think that she would know her own birth date? She died on the 2nd of Jan 1941 in South Shields.

Thanks again,
Isabel

[Isabel Griggs]

Thank you for the information. I do have the death records for both Alexander and Catherine. Also, the B & D records for son Donald and the birth record for Jane Hendry .[/b]

1861 census Forse ,Latheron
Alexander 37 ploughman Latheron
Catherine  34 Latheron
James  10
Margaret 8
John 6... This is Johan, my G Grandmother.
Catherine 4
William 2
Donald 1

ps grandparents look to be William Calder b c1795 fisherman and Janet Sutherland c 1796  married 15.12.1819 and John Hendry b c 1795  and Catherine Sutherland born c 1799.... Catherine Calder's parents were Adam Calder 1797-1871 and Margaret Gunn 1799-1829. They had four children. Adam married again to Catherine Gunn (don't know if she was a relation to Margaret), and they had 13 children, busy man 

Does that help? Every snippet helps and much appreciated. Can't thank you enough for your help.
Kind regards
Isabel