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Re: Mary Connolly and John Connolly (both servants) Coleraine
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 26 June 24 23:36 BST (UK) »
Samuel “Sam” Conley (born 1878) m.(11 July 1914 Coleraine Registry Office) Isabella Spallin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09855/5578787.pdf
? https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/186173312/samuel_conley
1. Samuel Conley (27 Aug.1909 Carnaboy).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01606/1644726.pdf
2. Alfred Conley (29 Aug.1914 Blaugh).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01397/1574854.pdf

James Conley (born 1880, died 19 Feb.1964) m.(4 June 1908 Ballyrashane COI) Jemima Bell.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10053/5656164.pdf
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Knockantern/Spittle_Hill/590493/
Children:
1. Anna Mary Conley (25 June 1908 Spittal Hill, Coleraine)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01648/1658075.pdf
? https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189318027/anna-mary-simpson
2. John Conley (1 Oct.1909 Spittal Hill, Coleraine)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01596/1641369.pdf

The last two children-

Catherine Conley (born 1885) was alive in 1901 but haven't found her after that yet.

Alfred Lawrence Conley (born 1892) m.(16 Nov.1917 Coleraine Registry Office) Minnie Lafferty.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09759/5541858.pdf
Mid-Ulster Mail [Cookstown], 23 June 1934: … Alfred Connolly, of Spittal Hill, Coleraine, was charged with driving to the danger of the public. …
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Re: Mary Connolly and John Connolly (both servants) Coleraine
« Reply #19 on: Friday 28 June 24 19:19 BST (UK) »
I do have lots more details, much of what corrects the errors on two different sites, but will not bother posting anymore until Jennmbell has commented (she has been online several times but what I've posted so far is a lot to take in).
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Re: Mary Connolly and John Connolly (both servants) Coleraine
« Reply #20 on: Friday 28 June 24 19:37 BST (UK) »
1911 possibilities  ;)

I think Martha looks to have been working away from home on the 1911 census, whilst daughter Kathleen and son James were being taken care of by her mother Mary. Both entries in Coleraine:

Kathleen and James - www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002807848/

Martha - www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002805382/

Worth noting that mother Mary on that first entry is showing both as a widow and having been only married for 10 years, with 6 living children resulting from the marriage.

Monica

I’m blown away Monica, thank you for all your effort and research! I think that is her in the 1901 census in the Cameron household! This has given me a lead, thank you so much! Mary was only married for 10 years as John died from either tuberculosis or diphtheria. Very sad. I’m still reading your posts, I am so grateful 🙏🏼❤️

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Re: Mary Connolly and John Connolly (both servants) Coleraine
« Reply #21 on: Friday 28 June 24 19:43 BST (UK) »
Going through my files and online sources and have found lots more information and some of it might be quite a surprise. Still typing it up and will post later.

I see also the problem with the link on www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ to a possible 1912 marriage for Martha to James Spence. Has anyone reported it on the site?
Not sure what the problem mentioned is but I was able to bring up the marriage without any bother-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09918/5605139.pdf

I am so grateful for the information you’re posting, thank you much. Please do post what else you found! You are amazing, thank you so much ❤️


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Re: Mary Connolly and John Connolly (both servants) Coleraine
« Reply #22 on: Friday 28 June 24 19:47 BST (UK) »
I do have lots more details, much of what corrects the errors on two different sites, but will not bother posting anymore until Jennmbell has commented (she has been online several times but what I've posted so far is a lot to take in).

Please do send more details! And please know that I am so grateful. I’m going to search the lead of Martha at the Cameron house. I wonder if one of the adult males there was the father of Kathleen and Tom. It’s such a shame the family didn’t pass the stories down. Everyone was so scared of bringing shame to the family because of the illegitimate births. Very sad for them. It must have been a rough life.

Also thank you for posting the Scotlands People census. I’m couldn’t find them there. I’m can’t remember if that was you or Monica. I am so grateful for both of you and the efforts you went to. God bless you!

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Re: Mary Connolly and John Connolly (both servants) Coleraine
« Reply #23 on: Friday 28 June 24 19:58 BST (UK) »
There certainly was a problem up to yesterday with that link taking you to another couple's marriage.
I did report the problem yesterday on site. Blown away if it has been corrected that quickly!
Monica
Wonder if it was the way we searched? I used James Spence and the year to find it since so many possible spellings of Conley. I would be very shocked if they fixed anything that quickly as I've been reporting problems there for years and still find they haven't fixed transcriptions or links.

First of all, I'm pretty sure I found the online tree OP mentioned and can;t see how on earth it was put together. In many cases the sources are clearly given yet the details are ignored and wrong information is put instead.
One example is the birth of Martha Jane Conley. Tree says she was born at Glenleary on 30 May 1874 (correct) "Daughter of John Conley and Mary Elizabeth (MacAlister) Conley" when her birth registration clearly show her parents as John Conley & Mary Braddly [Bradley]
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Conley-426
The information listed for her father John Conley is just as bizarre. Says he was before 25 Feb.1827 and died 17 July 1882. This would make him about 55 when he was born. However, the death registration clearly says he was 35 years old (born c1847). Unfortunately there is a gap 1840s/1850s in baptismal register for Macosquin Presbyterian Church.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Conley-422
There seems, for some strange reason to be uncertainty for Mary Brandley's maiden name with it being listed as McAllister (even though the marriage registration and children's births call her Bradley). It possibly stems from certificate for marriage of John Connelly & Sarah Jane Elliott- his parents John Connelly & Mary Bradley and her parents John Elliott & Mary McAllister.

You are right! Martha and Mary’s entries were originally done by Tom’s decendents and I think they got more family info than I did because they seemed to think Mary’s maiden name was Macallister but I couldn’t find any confirmation of that. All I know is that she ran away from home at age 15 and that my great grandma, Martha, had 2 illegitimate children to a master of the house she was working in. As you mentioned, I couldn’t find her in the 1911 census either, which I couldn’t understand. I was trying to find her in jail records, workhouse registers, and old newspaper entries, but I can’t. I created my family tree on Wiki too and linked to Tom’s one of Martha and Mary because we worked out he is a distant family member of my grandma’s half sister, but there are inconsistencies that I wanted to clear up.


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Re: Mary Connolly and John Connolly (both servants) Coleraine
« Reply #24 on: Friday 28 June 24 19:59 BST (UK) »
Good to have you back  :)

Over to aghadowey now for further details  ;)

Monica
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Re: Mary Connolly and John Connolly (both servants) Coleraine
« Reply #25 on: Friday 28 June 24 20:07 BST (UK) »
You have posted on the Dumfriesshire/Scotland board here on RC. I will ask the moderators to move your post to the Londonderry board where hopefully people can help further  :)

Have you tried to find Kathleen on the 1921 census in Scotland?

I see also the problem with the link on www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ to a possible 1912 marriage for Martha to James Spence. Has anyone reported it on the site?

Monica

Woops! I didn’t realize I was posting it on the Dumfriesshire thread, that was a mistake.

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Re: Mary Connolly and John Connolly (both servants) Coleraine
« Reply #26 on: Friday 28 June 24 20:08 BST (UK) »
Good to have you back  :)

Over to aghadowey now for further details  ;)

Monica

I’m forever grateful to you both 🙏🏼