Shankers Ryan

[gerrygannon]

So, George was born in 1886,which would make him 19 in 1905,the marriage cert said he was full age,which I'm sure was 21 back then🤔

[Sinann]

Beccy Cooper was born Rebecca Cooper at 17 Montgomery Street Dublin on the 15/Feb/1880 to John Cooper(house painter)and Elizabeth Brooks.

Her sister Susan was born at 17 Montgomery Street Dublin on the 14/may/1882 to John Cooper(house painter) and Elizabeth Brooks.

Next sister Norah was born at 29 Mabbot st Dublin on the 11/march/1887 to John Cooper (house painter) and Elizabeth Brooks.

Married William Whittaker in 1900
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0516
1911 Census
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Mabbot_St_/20241/

Died 1949
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1949/04551/4201110.pdf

At least one assault case where Rebecca is the defendant insinuates her refreshment house is more than simply drinks. Judge says she’s a known violent woman.

[Abhanliath]

So, George was born in 1886,which would make him 19 in 1905,the marriage cert said he was full age,which I'm sure was 21 back then🤔

I've seen marriage certs filled in as full age when I know the people weren't, though.
Gerry, a friend of mine went to get married in the 1980s and found she had no birth cert! Her father had gone out to register her and stopped off in a pub on the way… she had no legal existence! I assume her school had accepted a baptismal cert… Caused all kinds of trouble, swearing affidavits and the like!

[gerrygannon]

I know,but add it to the carpenter business.
We should keep an open mind🤔

[Abhanliath]

Ah yeah.

[gerrygannon]

Becky Cooper in 16.3 LR Tyrone street Dublin in 1901 as head of household.
20 years old

[grizzly1]

Not unusual at the time for people (especially working class) to be unaware of the exact year of birth unless it coincided with a historical event, lot of working class people steered well clear of the authorities due to the fact that they were unable to read or write.

[Abhanliath]

You have Beccy's marriage registration, Gerry? It's there - only a transcription, though:

Party 1
Name   William Whiticker
Age   Full
Address   2 Faithful Place
Occupation   Soldier
Civil Status   Single
Father's Forename   William
Father's Surname   Whiticker
Father's Profession   Labourer
Signature   William Whiticker
Party 2
Name   Rebecca Cooper
Age   Full
Address   26 Malboro St.
Civil Status   Single
Father's Forename   John
Father's Surname   Cooper
Signature   Rebecca Cooper
Marriage Information
Date of Event   26 April 1900
Marriage Solemnised At Address   the Chapel of Pro Cathedral
Solemnised According To   the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church
Solemniser Forename   Peter
Solemniser Surname   Dunne
Witness
Witness 1   Michael Cunningham
Witness 2   Kate Ward
Other Information
Group Registration ID   1633540
Registrar   Lauren Keogh
Registration District/Office   Dublin North City No. 1
Registration SR District/Reg Area   Dublin
Registration County   Co. Dublin
Date of Registration   03/05/1900

[Abhanliath]

If you ask for help at the Great War Forum, I'd be very surprised if those lads wouldn't be able to tell you all about William Whiticker/Whitaker. They're real experts and very kind and helpful. You'll have to sign up and get a username and password. https://www.greatwarforum.org/