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Shankers Ryan
« on: Sunday 23 June 24 12:30 BST (UK) »
Did anyone ever resolve the questions around Shankers Ryan and his connection to Beccy Cooper???
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Re: Shankers Ryan
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 23 June 24 13:40 BST (UK) »
Nope. Only in a couple of places did I even find a Cooper and Ryan in the same household; in this 1911 Magdalen Laundry in Henrietta Street
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Inns_Quay/Henrietta_Street/33474/
and another with just two women, one Ryan, one Cooper, living together - can't remember if it was 1911 or 1901 but it was in one of those censuses, and if my memory doesn't fail me they were living basically in the Monto ambit.
My guess at the time was that it might have been a woman marrying a Cooper then a Ryan or vice versa, but having looked a bit closer on the lives of these people it seemed to me that marriage would've been more of an informal arrangement not involving the State, which would make them harder to track.
Some of their relatives did post here at various stages, and they might like to comment about their collateral or direct ancestors, whose lives and choices and culture have little to do with us today.

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Re: Shankers Ryan
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 23 June 24 13:59 BST (UK) »
Did you find any information on Beccy Cooper in 1901 or 1911 census?
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Re: Shankers Ryan
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 23 June 24 14:44 BST (UK) »
This is what I ended up with in my folder about him (and her, in case) - I had more but threw the rest out as very doubtful. If you want copies of any of these, just shout.


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Re: Shankers Ryan
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 June 24 15:23 BST (UK) »
Bridget graydon was his wife,she's the next of kin on his military pension.
He was in the kings huzzars and then in the military police at Dublin castle.
Send me what you have and I'll let you know if I can add to it..
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Re: Shankers Ryan
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23 June 24 15:27 BST (UK) »
There's a lot of misinformation going around about Ryan and cooper,for years now.
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Re: Shankers Ryan
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 June 24 20:03 BST (UK) »
Beccy Coopers sister was Norah Cooper,she had a connection to John Ryan.
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Re: Shankers Ryan
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 June 24 20:35 BST (UK) »
I wonder is Norah a name-change from Susan Cooper who lived in Tyrone Street in 1901 with Mary Ryan https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Lr__Tyrone_Street/1276089/

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Re: Shankers Ryan
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 June 24 20:51 BST (UK) »
No,Susan was another sister of Beccy and Norah.
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