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"Death" Help Please.
« on: Friday 21 June 24 16:35 BST (UK) »
Good afternoon,

I have been researching for many years, but I cannot find a death registration for my 2x great grandfather, Thomas Edwin Horton, he was know as Edwin.

Born January 1861 in Saddington
Married October 1890 to Lavinia Dann in Cosby
Had 5 children I've found 4, 1 child died) Edwin (Dann - later Horton), Dora, Harold and Olga.

1901 census they are living at Clarendon Park Road, Leicester, formerly Knighton
1911 census they are living at Mill St. Leicester
1921 Lavinia is listed as a widow (her son completed the census).

Thomas Edwin Horton was the son of a Saddington landowner. He got the maid pregnant and against his father's wishes, married her when his son was 4 years old. His father disinherited him.

I believe Thomas Edwin was a spendthrift. On the death of his uncle (father's brother) he inherited a tidy sum, but the will shows the uncle had left instructions to clear his nephew's debts, once cleared there wasn't much left.
During WW1 the sons write postcards to Mrs E Horton (so to their mum, not both parents), despite having a rough idea of when he must have died, I cannot find any records.

Lavinia could write, but all of her children could.

Please can anyone help, or advise?

Thanks in advance.

Michelle
BINI:Lucca,Italy/Sheffield/Shireoaks/Nott'm
JOHNSON:Whetstone,Leics
PINDER:Sheffield
KENNY:IRL,Dublin,ENG,Lancs,S.KENNY m BINI 
BINGHAM:Sheffield/Shireoaks
WATSON:Foxton,Leics
WORMLEIGHTON:Enderby,Leics
MARSH:Sheffield
KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
GLEDHILL:Bolton,Lancs/Worsop,Notts
PEBERDY:Saddington/Foxton/Gumley, Leics
HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
JONES:ChurchGresley/Smisby,Derby's/Worksop,Notts
JEACOCK: LEI/Blaby

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Re: "Death" Help Please.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 June 24 16:39 BST (UK) »
It should say, "Lavinia COULDN'T write". I mention this in case Thomas Edwin is listed just as Edwin. In his working life, he was a salesman, a grocer and railway worker.

Thank you.
BINI:Lucca,Italy/Sheffield/Shireoaks/Nott'm
JOHNSON:Whetstone,Leics
PINDER:Sheffield
KENNY:IRL,Dublin,ENG,Lancs,S.KENNY m BINI 
BINGHAM:Sheffield/Shireoaks
WATSON:Foxton,Leics
WORMLEIGHTON:Enderby,Leics
MARSH:Sheffield
KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
GLEDHILL:Bolton,Lancs/Worsop,Notts
PEBERDY:Saddington/Foxton/Gumley, Leics
HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
JONES:ChurchGresley/Smisby,Derby's/Worksop,Notts
JEACOCK: LEI/Blaby

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Re: "Death" Help Please.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 June 24 16:48 BST (UK) »
There's a 1913 Trade Union Membership Registers record for an Edwin Horton (engine driver).

Birth year  1857
Union Branch  Leicester 4

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« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 June 24 16:51 BST (UK) »
Possibly this one?

HORTON, EDWIN  THOMAS  age   60 
GRO Reference: 1921  J Quarter in LEICESTER  Volume 07A  Page 249

Age 10 on freebmd

Deaths Jun 1921   
Horton    Edwin T    10    Leicester    7a   249   
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Squire/Thomas/Williams/Bowen/Lewis/Davies/Jones/Rees/Morgan/Lloyd - Glamorgan
Lewis/Davies - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland


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Re: "Death" Help Please.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 June 24 16:59 BST (UK) »
Possibly this one?

HORTON, EDWIN  THOMAS  age   60 
GRO Reference: 1921  J Quarter in LEICESTER  Volume 07A  Page 249

Age 10 on freebmd

Deaths Jun 1921   
Horton    Edwin T    10    Leicester    7a   249   

There is a newspaper report on 5th April 1921 of the death of an Edwin Thomas Horton aged 60 of 3, Mill Street Leicester.
His wife is named as Lavinia.
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 June 24 17:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks Ashtone, I don't think that will be him. His sister was born in 1857, he was said to be born in 1861, it fairly consistent through the records.

Thanks Cas, It could be although the forenames are back to front.

Thanks Jen.

I've now got it up on Ancestry. Its also triggered a memory of my Nana saying when she was born her grandfather died. Nana was born at the end 1920, so this rings true.

It leaves me with questions as to why when the sons wrote home during WW1, they only addressed their mum as Mrs, E Horton. The 1921 census was taken in the month of June, so I guess he could have just died.

Thank you for your help. If anyone finds a will or burial record, I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks again.
BINI:Lucca,Italy/Sheffield/Shireoaks/Nott'm
JOHNSON:Whetstone,Leics
PINDER:Sheffield
KENNY:IRL,Dublin,ENG,Lancs,S.KENNY m BINI 
BINGHAM:Sheffield/Shireoaks
WATSON:Foxton,Leics
WORMLEIGHTON:Enderby,Leics
MARSH:Sheffield
KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
GLEDHILL:Bolton,Lancs/Worsop,Notts
PEBERDY:Saddington/Foxton/Gumley, Leics
HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
JONES:ChurchGresley/Smisby,Derby's/Worksop,Notts
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 June 24 17:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jen,

I've only just spotted the Newspaper listing. Thank you very much.

Could you advise whether there is a way to view newspaper publications online please? If there are multiple options, which one do you consider to be the best, i.e. so I can view the obituary?

Thank you.
BINI:Lucca,Italy/Sheffield/Shireoaks/Nott'm
JOHNSON:Whetstone,Leics
PINDER:Sheffield
KENNY:IRL,Dublin,ENG,Lancs,S.KENNY m BINI 
BINGHAM:Sheffield/Shireoaks
WATSON:Foxton,Leics
WORMLEIGHTON:Enderby,Leics
MARSH:Sheffield
KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
GLEDHILL:Bolton,Lancs/Worsop,Notts
PEBERDY:Saddington/Foxton/Gumley, Leics
HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
JONES:ChurchGresley/Smisby,Derby's/Worksop,Notts
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 June 24 17:44 BST (UK) »
I've only just spotted the Newspaper listing. Thank you very much.

Yes, that confirms the death which Cas had already found for you.

For newspaper searches I use Findmypast.

There isn't an obituary. The details I quoted were from a report about his sudden death from angina pectoris.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 21 June 24 17:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the clarification.

Thanks to everyone who helped.
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WORMLEIGHTON:Enderby,Leics
MARSH:Sheffield
KEMBLE:Godalming/Leicester
GLEDHILL:Bolton,Lancs/Worsop,Notts
PEBERDY:Saddington/Foxton/Gumley, Leics
HORTON:Saddington/Foxton,Leics
DANN:Foxton/Cosby/Leics
HARRITY:Sheffield
COLDERLEY:Bolton,Lancs
JONES:ChurchGresley/Smisby,Derby's/Worksop,Notts
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