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Union workhouse ware
« on: Saturday 08 June 24 23:54 BST (UK) »
Hi
Can anyone tell me how I can remotely view any records of inmates in the workhouse in Ware please ?
I am interested to find out anything about an Emma Webb who gave birth to a son named William on 13 May 1852 in Union House, Ware (which I'm presuming means the workhouse).
I'm wondering if there would be any record of where she lived/was born etc etc.

I think she may have been the daughter of William Webb and Mary Pearce from Great Amwell, but I'm struggling to prove it.
Need ll the help I can get with this one
Thanks
Lyn
DAVIDSON - Boyndie, Ordiquhill, Fordyce, Gamrie, Botriphnie
BOOTH - Gamrie, Fyvie
GERRIE (GERRY) - Fyvie
SMOLLET (SMOLLETT, SMOUT, SMOWT) - Boyndie
MORISON (MUIRSON/MEARSON) - Ordiquhill
ROY - Mortlach
WEBB - Tonbridge, Ware Herts.
SCRACE - Frant, Tonbridge
HEARSON - Poplar

HEARSON - Lincolnshire & Sussex

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Re: Union workhouse ware
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 June 24 00:11 BST (UK) »
Do you have Emma and son William in any census records? They would give an indication of where and when she was born. Unless William isn't with her in any census records.

1851 census - Could Emma (age 20) be the servant in the Daniel Hankin household?
Residence: Village, Stanstead, Ware. Emma's birthplace - Hoddesdon, Herts.

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Re: Union workhouse ware
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 June 24 08:43 BST (UK) »
William Webb was christened in Hoddesdon on 30 June 1867

The Bp notes his birth as 13 May 1852, Mother: Emma, a Single Woman of Hoddesdon

As the Bp says Emma was Single, one assumes she was unmarried by 1867 and maybe living with her parents in Hoddesdon.

Children born to William & Mary Webb who were Bp at Great Amwell:-
Sarah 1826, William 1829, Emma 1832 & Joseph 1834
ALL Bp records state the family were of Hoddesdon & William was a Labourer

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Re: Union workhouse ware
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 June 24 09:01 BST (UK) »
A possibility only

1871 census
William Webb (Head) born Ipswich, retired Farmer
Emma Webb (dau) born Hoddesdon


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Re: Union workhouse ware
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 09 June 24 10:03 BST (UK) »
Wow, thank you. I hadn't come across the Ipswitch info before, but will research it further, just in case I have been going down the wrong path.......

All the details I have so far is William Webb born 1852 Ware.
He was my Great Grandfather and was married (although I have been unable to find any record of the marriage) to Alice Elizabeth Scrace in Tonbridge Kent.

In my Grandmother's birthday book, she had his birthday down as 18th April 1852. On all the census records I have for him from 1881 onwards he gives his birth as 1852 in Ware Hertfordshire. That is the only definate info I have for him.

All my research has turned up is the William born illigitimately to Emma Webb in May 1852, but I am struggling to confirm this is the right William.
If it is Emma may have been the daughter of William Webb and Mary Pearce of Great Amwell. Father William died in 1849 and Mother Mary remarried a much younger man John Jeffries in 1850.
It looks like this Emma married a Henry Derby in Dec 1852. On the 1861 census she is listed with him in Hoddesden with their children, one of which was William DERBY, born 1852, but I can find no record of a William DERBY born then, so am wondering if this is really William Webb ???

I can then find a William Webb born in Ware on the 1871 census living with Emma's widowed sister, Mary Webb (MMN Cakebread) in Poplar London.
By 1881 he was married(?) to Alice Scrace and living in Tonbridge, where he remained for the rest of his life.



DAVIDSON - Boyndie, Ordiquhill, Fordyce, Gamrie, Botriphnie
BOOTH - Gamrie, Fyvie
GERRIE (GERRY) - Fyvie
SMOLLET (SMOLLETT, SMOUT, SMOWT) - Boyndie
MORISON (MUIRSON/MEARSON) - Ordiquhill
ROY - Mortlach
WEBB - Tonbridge, Ware Herts.
SCRACE - Frant, Tonbridge
HEARSON - Poplar

HEARSON - Lincolnshire & Sussex

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Re: Union workhouse ware
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 June 24 10:12 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the pointer to William Webb Baptism. I hadn't come across that before.
It does put doubt on Mother Emma being the one that married Henry Derby though, as you say in 1867 she was listed as single woman
DAVIDSON - Boyndie, Ordiquhill, Fordyce, Gamrie, Botriphnie
BOOTH - Gamrie, Fyvie
GERRIE (GERRY) - Fyvie
SMOLLET (SMOLLETT, SMOUT, SMOWT) - Boyndie
MORISON (MUIRSON/MEARSON) - Ordiquhill
ROY - Mortlach
WEBB - Tonbridge, Ware Herts.
SCRACE - Frant, Tonbridge
HEARSON - Poplar

HEARSON - Lincolnshire & Sussex

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Re: Union workhouse ware
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 June 24 14:27 BST (UK) »

1861 Census at Gt Amwell Herts

Joseph Rudd, Head, 40, Brewers Lab'r, born: Boxbourne
Sarah Rudd,  Wife,  34, born: Hoddesdon
William Webb, visitor, 9, born: Ware
Samuel Fairchilds, visitor, 7, born: Hoddesdon

Possibly Emma's sister, Sarah Webb, born 1826 of Hoddesdon

Joseph Rudd married Sarah Webb St Mary Walthamstow Essex 29 Sept 1844
Both single
Sarah's father was William Webb - no occupation given
 - all made their mark
Witnesses: Henry Ruggles & Charles Turner

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 09 June 24 14:34 BST (UK) »
1871
William Webb remains with Joseph & Sarah Rudd. 1871 has him as "nephew", age 18, born Hoddesdon

Not with the Rudd family in 1881

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 09 June 24 14:39 BST (UK) »

I can then find a William Webb born in Ware on the 1871 census living with Emma's widowed sister, Mary Webb (MMN Cakebread) in Poplar London.
By 1881 he was married(?) to Alice Scrace and living in Tonbridge, where he remained for the rest of his life.


Did Emma Webb have a sister Mary CAKEBREAD who married a WEBB?

How do you know that William Webb married? Alice Scarce?