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six brothers, which is the father??
« on: Tuesday 04 June 24 15:53 BST (UK) »
My great grandfather was illegitimate. I have been trying to narrow down a father via DNA. I am certain of his grandparents as I have many DNA matches that go back to them. I am sure of this as its the only branch of my family that hails from Staffordshire. But they had 6 sons. How do I narrow this down , or is that as far as I can go? Any help would be much appreciated.
My Great Grandfather- William Thomas Spicer B 1875 Lower Penn, Staffs
Great great grandmother- Sarah Spicer b 1854 Lower Penn, Staffs.
3x Great grandfather- William Blakemore b 1809 Stretton, Staffs
3x Great grandmother-Ann Roberts b 1806 Bishops Wood, Staffs
Their 6 sons George b 1835, William b 1837, Charles 1842, Joseph 1847. Henry 1850 and John 1851.
AREA, Nottinghamshire. Lincolnshire. Staffordshire. Leicestershire, Morayshire.
Paternal Line--An(t)(c)liff(e).Faulkner. Mayfield. Cant. Davison. Caunt. Trigg. Rawding. Buttery. Rayworth. Pepper. Otter. Whitworth. Gray. Calder. Laing.Wink. Wright. Jackson. Taylor.
Maternal Line--Linsey. Spicer. Corns. Judson. Greensmith. Steel. Woodford. Ellis. Wyan. Callis. Warriner. Rawlin. Merrin. Vale. Summerfield. Cartwright.
Husbands-Beckett. Heald. Pilkington. Arnold. Hall. Willows. Dring. Newcomb. Hawley

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Re: six brothers, which is the father??
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 June 24 16:04 BST (UK) »
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But they had 6 sons.

Do you know what all 6 were up to around the time of his birth ie where they were living and with whom?

I would start with the youngest as most likely, see if you can rule him out and work up!
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Re: six brothers, which is the father??
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 June 24 16:07 BST (UK) »
Thankyou. I have started to check them out. A couple were already married but that is not always a reason to rule them out.!
AREA, Nottinghamshire. Lincolnshire. Staffordshire. Leicestershire, Morayshire.
Paternal Line--An(t)(c)liff(e).Faulkner. Mayfield. Cant. Davison. Caunt. Trigg. Rawding. Buttery. Rayworth. Pepper. Otter. Whitworth. Gray. Calder. Laing.Wink. Wright. Jackson. Taylor.
Maternal Line--Linsey. Spicer. Corns. Judson. Greensmith. Steel. Woodford. Ellis. Wyan. Callis. Warriner. Rawlin. Merrin. Vale. Summerfield. Cartwright.
Husbands-Beckett. Heald. Pilkington. Arnold. Hall. Willows. Dring. Newcomb. Hawley

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Re: six brothers, which is the father??
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 June 24 16:10 BST (UK) »
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My Great Grandfather- William Thomas Spicer B 1875 Lower Penn, Staffs

Who was his mother, did she have any William or Thomas names in her family such as father or brothers he might be named after?  Appreciate they are common names. 

Yes quite, married or not can't rule 'em out! 
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: six brothers, which is the father??
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 June 24 16:28 BST (UK) »
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My Great Grandfather- William Thomas Spicer B 1875 Lower Penn, Staffs

Who was his mother

His baptism 7 Feb 1875 mother Sarah Spicer, abode Lower Penn (FreeReg)
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Re: six brothers, which is the father??
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 June 24 16:30 BST (UK) »
I see it now thank you and she married in 1877 William Elcock. 

Where is young William in 1881 as he doesn't seem to be with them?
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
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Re: six brothers, which is the father??
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 June 24 16:31 BST (UK) »
larkspur - do you have WTS' 1875 birth cert? Just curious what Sarah's address was. It might offer a clue as to the brothers in question.

1881 census - WTS is with his grandparents at Seisdon, Trysull, Wolverhampton.

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Re: six brothers, which is the father??
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 June 24 16:59 BST (UK) »
Is this Sarah's baptism and with her parents on 1861/1871c?

Sarah Spicer
Baptism 2 Apr 1854 Penn, St Bartholomew, Staffordshire
Religion   Anglican
Father   Thomas Mother   Mary

1871
Piece   2929
Folio   56
Page number   4
Thomas Spicer 56 Head
Mary Spicer 51 Wife
Robert Spicer 30 Son
Sarah Spicer 17   Daughter Penn

1861
Piece   1984
Folio   166
Page number   8
Thomas Spicer 46 Head
Mary Spicer 41 Wife
Sarah Spicer 7 Daughter

SPICER, SARAH       mmn MORRIS 
GRO Reference: 1854  J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 365

Thomas Spicer f/a father Robert
Residence Place   Wolverhampton
Marriage 7 Jun 1840 Wolverhampton, St Peter, Staffordshire
Spouse   Mary Morris f/a father John
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Re: six brothers, which is the father??
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 05 June 24 08:07 BST (UK) »
I think you will be hardpushed to get a conclusive answer from standard DNA methods because any matches you do get are likely to be 4C, 4C1R or 3C1R. Matches do not always come through at that level, so other descendants from the 6 brothers will not appear as matches
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