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My family has assumed the last name of the father in this record is SINNE.
But I'm really not sure now.

Can anyone else have suggestions what the last name of Isaac is?
He is listed as the father of Phillip Carson and the husband of Sotara Pou.
But the last name is listed as what appears to be SINNE?

Thanks for you help.
Essex: Pratt, King
Sussex: Austin
Newcastle: Glinton, Pratt
Kent: Sands, Roberts, Latter
Shanklin-Isle of Wight-England: Page, Stubbing
Renfrew-Scotland: Thomson, Thompson, Todd
Ulster-Ireland: McCool, Killpatrick
Laggan-Ulva-Scotland: McCrae-McCray, Craig
Frederick County-Virginia-USA & Pennsylvania-USA: McCool
USA: Fiveash, Kirkland, Odom, Pugh, Pou, Luckett, Lowe, Page, Jane, Yates
Bahamas: Moore, Johnson, Strachan, Deal, Roker, Knowles, Adderley, Missick, Higgs, Bullard, Bethel, Neal, Neely

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Re: Decipher the last name written on this Orangeburg, South Carolina, USA record
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 June 24 08:17 BST (UK) »
It looks like Sinne to me with a dot above (to the right) of the letter 'i' the last letter being the 'e'
Here's a more clear version.

Although the person filling out the record may not have got the spelling correct.

Orangeburg shows some other variations: Senn, Sine, Signh
NORTON (Kent), KEECH (Dorset), MOOR / MOORE (Kent), HOCKING (Dorset / Somerset), LEVI (City of York), SANDWELL (Kent), CHAFFIN  (Dorset / Somerset), STRONG (Dorset)

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Re: Decipher the last name written on this Orangeburg, South Carolina, USA record
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 June 24 08:46 BST (UK) »
Second the Sinne.

Interested in the other surname, I read the handwriting as Pow but I can also see the last letter as a u with a flourish.

I see from a cursory search that there's a connection between the Pows of Scotland and the Pous of South Carolina. Wondering if Pow might have become Pou due to a combination of pronounciation with an accent and reading of handwriting.

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Re: Decipher the last name written on this Orangeburg, South Carolina, USA record
« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 June 24 09:37 BST (UK) »
I read it as Sinue, because the letters are slightly different shapes.
As genealogists we all come across dreadful writing at times, but it is often just as frustrating to get lovely clear writing and you still can't decide what it says!


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Re: Decipher the last name written on this Orangeburg, South Carolina, USA record
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 June 24 09:48 BST (UK) »
Hello

I'm not sure about it being Sinne  - or the last letter being an 'e'  especially if compared to letter formations in the Cause of death of "Uremic Coma"

For the mother, I think her surname is "Pon" on both this DC and on the 1880 Census:

In 1880, Hebron, Orangeburg, SC
Head: James Pon 60, Farmer, b SC (parents b SC)
Wife: Satyra Pon 70, Attends to housekeeping, b SC (parents b Not Known)
Gr-Daughter:  Francis Carson 13, b SC (parents b SC)

And next door, is :
Head: Luis Pon 22, Farmer
Wife: Sylla Pon 20, works in Plantation
Dau: Irena Pon 4
Dau: Henrietta C Pon, 2 mths
All born SC, as are parents.

Also some of the records I came across, corrections offered "Boone" as a surname, instead of Pou or Pon -  perhaps changed down the line?

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Re: Decipher the last name written on this Orangeburg, South Carolina, USA record
« Reply #5 on: Monday 03 June 24 20:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all who replied on this thread.
I was unable to find any other SINNE residents in Orangeburg, SC in the same period of time. This made me think it was something other than Sinne.

Sotara is my Great Great Grandmother and we've just assumed and lumped together all of the variations of her name as Pon, Pou, Pough, Pow and I have even seen Pontoo.

I'd be interested to know more about the connections between the Pows of Scotland and the Pous (Pou, Pough, Pon, Pow) of South Carolina.

I'm using myself as the litmus test since I have known South Carolina Pon, Pou, Pough, Pow ancestors and also unknown distant cousins in Scotland.

Essex: Pratt, King
Sussex: Austin
Newcastle: Glinton, Pratt
Kent: Sands, Roberts, Latter
Shanklin-Isle of Wight-England: Page, Stubbing
Renfrew-Scotland: Thomson, Thompson, Todd
Ulster-Ireland: McCool, Killpatrick
Laggan-Ulva-Scotland: McCrae-McCray, Craig
Frederick County-Virginia-USA & Pennsylvania-USA: McCool
USA: Fiveash, Kirkland, Odom, Pugh, Pou, Luckett, Lowe, Page, Jane, Yates
Bahamas: Moore, Johnson, Strachan, Deal, Roker, Knowles, Adderley, Missick, Higgs, Bullard, Bethel, Neal, Neely

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Re: Decipher the last name written on this Orangeburg, South Carolina, USA record
« Reply #6 on: Monday 03 June 24 20:36 BST (UK) »
I think the name is Sime
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Re: Decipher the last name written on this Orangeburg, South Carolina, USA record
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 June 24 22:10 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all who replied on this thread.
I was unable to find any other SINNE residents in Orangeburg, SC in the same period of time. This made me think it was something other than Sinne.

Sotara is my Great Great Grandmother and we've just assumed and lumped together all of the variations of her name as Pon, Pou, Pough, Pow and I have even seen Pontoo.

I'd be interested to know more about the connections between the Pows of Scotland and the Pous (Pou, Pough, Pon, Pow) of South Carolina.

I'm using myself as the litmus test since I have known South Carolina Pon, Pou, Pough, Pow ancestors and also unknown distant cousins in Scotland.

There are references to a family history held in the familysearch library
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/46521?availability=Family%20History%20Library

An item that referred to the family originating in Spain and then moving over time via France and Scotland to South Carolina but provides no references:
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth795373/m1/306/

However under Pow in Black's Surnames of Scotland there's reference to a Gavin Pou emigrating from Scotland to Orangeburg (sadly no original source of this information is indicated) but there's this history of Orangeburg with multiple references to Gavin Pou, his life, family and original records:
https://archive.org/details/historyoforangeb00sall/page/32/mode/2up?q=gavin

There's also a manuscript family bible for a Pou family held by the University of South Carolina
https://digital.tcl.sc.edu/digital/collection/famrec/id/339/

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Re: Decipher the last name written on this Orangeburg, South Carolina, USA record
« Reply #8 on: Monday 03 June 24 23:00 BST (UK) »
Incidentally the South Carolina death indexes include a Roland Sinns in the listings for 1915-1924
https://scdhec.gov/vital-records/death-indexes-genealogy/vital-records-death-indexes-1915-1967

Don't know if you can search the Agricultural Schedules by farmer and try Sinns as a surname, I couldn't access the relevant archives to try, see state by state entry for site address.
https://www.archives.gov/research/census/nonpopulation#agricultural

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