1836 transported 7 years... children on board?

[maddys52]

In case you are interested, the Convict Indent has this description of Sarah:
She could read and write; a prior conviction with 9 month sentence; 5'1 1/2"; fair and a little pockpitted; brown eyes and hair; two middle front upper teeth apart, scar inside left wrist.

[lasswade]

So interesting to have a word picture of her

Is. there a way to follow what happened to the children, especially William Smith (probably Batchelor then, didn't use Smith until later). He seems to have gone back to UK, as my g.g. ,his daughter, was born 1859 in London. He was the Dad .

Sarah married Smith in Australia, made a new life and died here aged 70. Her son, William Smith settled in Australia also. Still trying to work out how he became a father in London in between times.

Thanks for all the replies.

[maddys52]

I am a little confused (not unusual!) and haven't tried to follow her in England yet, however, if she was tried as CLACKHORN as a widow, was this her married name?

Sarah CLACKHORN (arr Elizabeth) - permission to marry Joseph MALTON/MILTON 17 July 1838.

Sarah CLACKHORN (arr Elizabeth) was given permission to marry Thomas SMITH 5 Jan 1839. I assume it's this marriage - Thomas SMITH and Sarah BATCHELOR (427/1839 V1839427 23B) 1839 at Gundaroo; Gunning; Yass.

[lasswade]

Yes, the second one was correct, her husband Batchelor died in UK 1839 and she married Thos. Smith in Australia. Her son William, my ancestor, took the name Smith. It is William Smith I am trying to follow. What records (Aust) can I investigate to assess his movements, he obviously returned to UK to become the father of my g.g. Lily Smith, before marrying in Australia and having a family Thanks for the help.

[Rufous Treecreeper]

Just a query, devil’s advocate if you like, could Lily Smith have been conceived in Australia and just her mother went to England? 

[lasswade]

Hello, and thanks for being devil's advocate. I have been trying to sort out William and Lily for many years.

I never would have thought of your idea. Of course, it's possible, in fact, it's likely. It was as if they did not exist, when trawling through UK records. Lily was married in Marylebone, so I didn't think past that.

I am so pleased ,I found this site, the help has been wonderful, and I thank you very much

[Neale1961]

You might be interested to read the medical journal for the convict ship "Elizabeth" in 1836.
I don't think there is any direct reference to your Sarah.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4106573

[maddys52]

Can you give us a bit more detail about Lily - I can't see a birth in London for a Lily SMITH (or BATCHELOR) in 1859. What year did she marry, what occupation does it have for her father William etc? Can you see her any census?  It is such a common name (those names, father and daughter both occur in my family tree  ), and whilst not impossible, it was reasonably unusual to return to England and back again to Australia.

NSW BDM records are free to search (index only):
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au

trove is another great free resource for newspaper mentions:
https://trove.nla.gov.au

There is also the NSW State Archives:
https://mhnsw.au/collections/state-archives-collection/

But again, tricky with such a common name.

[maddys52]

Also, should have added yesterday, the marriage permission of Sarah CLACKHORN and Joseph MALTON/ MILTON was disallowed.
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/INDEX2230380