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Mary Ann Graham Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« on: Wednesday 29 May 24 12:25 BST (UK) »
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I'm wondering where to post my question regarding my ancestor Mary Ann McGuire, She was the mother of my ancestor Patrick Graham who died 1938. I had a wrong death record for her for 1913 which turned out to be a spinster from Byker and the last facts I have are where she is mentioned as on her husband Charles death certificate in 1910. I have asked many questions here about Patrick and his wife Catherine Dixon Coleman. I am still researching Patrick and Catherine's children.
Should I add my question about Mary Ann to one of those topics or start a new one?
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Re: Mary Ann Graham nee McGuire Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 12:43 BST (UK) »
Are you looking for Mary Ann Graham - or Mary Ann McGuire?

The Patrick Graham death in 1938 shows an 1856 birthyear & Charles Graham death in 1910 was b 1849??

Patrick & Catherine married 1898

Charles Graham & Mary Ann McGuire married 1874
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Re: Mary Ann Graham nee McGuire Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 13:00 BST (UK) »
1881 census - Charles Graham b 1853  Ireland Mary Ann b 1856 Newcastle

Could she have remarried after Charles death?

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Re: Mary Ann McGuire Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 13:43 BST (UK) »
Thank you
Yes I do have Patrick and Catherine marrying 1898.
The details I have for Charles and Mary Ann marriage,
20/06, 1874, St mary's Catholic Church Clayton St
Mary Ann is 19 years old, a spinster. Charles is 22 years old, a bachelor. Witnesses are Andrew Nugent and Elizabeth Toney. All make their mark (X).

I have various census records for Patrick all say he was born 1875, also known as Alfred Patrick, Alf. See military records in which all 3 names are used. There's lots about him on this forum!
However, I am lacking evidence about Mary Ann and prepared to accept new evidence.
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Re: Mary Ann McGuire Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 13:55 BST (UK) »
1881 census - Charles Graham b 1853  Ireland Mary Ann b 1856 Newcastle

Could she have remarried after Charles death?

Yes it's possible. However assuming my facts are correct she was 56 years old, a Roman Catholic, living in Duke Street, when Charles died in the workhouse. Is it likely?
I do have a record of 1911 census  Mary Ann Graham  a widow living with the McCanns in Rock Street
but I don't know if its the right one.
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Re: Mary Ann Graham nee McGuire Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 16:42 BST (UK) »
As she was a widow her religion would not be a factor.  As to her age - there have been older widows who remarried but it’s an unknown really.

Did she report his death?  If not - what is the exact wording of the reference to her on his death cert

You need to alter your subject header to show surname as Graham - see my edit above

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Re: Mary Ann Graham Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 17:26 BST (UK) »
1881 census - Charles Graham b 1853  Ireland Mary Ann b 1856 Newcastle

Could she have remarried after Charles death?

Yes it's possible. However assuming my facts are correct she was 56 years old, a Roman Catholic, living in Duke Street, when Charles died in the workhouse. Is it likely?
I do have a record of 1911 census  Mary Ann Graham  a widow living with the McCanns in Rock Street
but I don't know if its the right one.
As she was a widow her religion would not be a factor.  As to her age - there have been older widows who remarried but it’s an unknown really.

Did she report his death?  If not - what is the exact wording of the reference to her on his death cert

You need to alter your subject header to show surname as Graham - see my edit above



On Charles death certificate it says he died 24 July in the workhouse hospital. He is 61 years old a general labourer of 33 Duke Street. The informant is Mary Ann Graham widow of the deceased 33 Duke Street. She signs X The mark of Mary Ann Graham. Registered July 25 1910.
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Re: Mary Ann Graham Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 18:10 BST (UK) »
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GRAHAM, PATRICK       MCQUIRE
GRO Reference: 1875  D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 89

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Re: Mary Ann Graham Newcastle upon Tyne missing records
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 18:19 BST (UK) »
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857179.0

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/235643206/alfred-patrick-graham

I originally found son, Alfred Patrick Graham in Church Bank Cemetery, Wallsend.

If Mary Ann was 56 when husband died in 1910, might she be the Mary Ann Graham who died in Tynemouth district Dec quarter 1911 age 58?

She may have moved to Wallsend area as son did, perhaps?  Might she also be buried at Church Bank Cemetery?
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