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1783 Cornish will - a couple of words
« on: Tuesday 28 May 24 05:53 BST (UK) »
The spelling is wonderful in this will!  ;)

'.......... Itme I give to my daster
Thomson Pomery the little b..... p..... during her
life and after her death to her son Charles Pomery
and Grace her daster..............


Anybody make out those two words?
Many thanks
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Re: 1783 Cornish will - a couple of words
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 May 24 15:23 BST (UK) »
I've looked at this a few times but don't have much that is credible to offer.

The most likely letters (IMO) are:

1.  b-e-?-f/s-e
2.  p-a?-r?-k?-e

Would a bease parke be a thing in Cornwall?

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Re: 1783 Cornish will - a couple of words
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 May 24 22:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks for looking HD.
A bit of a puzzler isn't it?
That was pretty much what I'd seen - 'a bease park', which doesn't make any sense, even in Cornwall I suspect!
I'll see if I can find anything resembling it for any clues.
As I say, the spelling is a bit left field sometimes in the will.
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Re: 1783 Cornish will - a couple of words
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 May 24 22:46 BST (UK) »
Might it be an old name for a bee hive?


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Re: 1783 Cornish will - a couple of words
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 May 24 22:55 BST (UK) »
Might it be an old name for a bee hive?

I love that idea mckha!  ;D
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
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Re: 1783 Cornish will - a couple of words
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 06:05 BST (UK) »
A modern spelling of "cow field" in the Cornish language would be "bugh parc".

https://www.cornwalls.co.uk/cornwall/language.htm

Cow - bugh is also beugh
Field - parc is also park

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Re: 1783 Cornish will - a couple of words
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 11:23 BST (UK) »
That's interesting tonepad.
It sounds a definite possibility.
Thanks for that.
Perhaps it's 'beast Parke', with this scribe's idiosyncratic spelling!
Or even 'beife parke'?
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Re: 1783 Cornish will - a couple of words
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 14:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tony, the parc/park makes for a compelling case.

The first word ends with either _fe or _se.

Do you have an opinion on which of beife or beafe on the one hand or beise or bease on the other might be a non-Cornish speaker's attempt at bugh/beugh?

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Re: 1783 Cornish will - a couple of words
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 May 24 21:30 BST (UK) »
I'd thought about that HD overnight, as your brain does!

The word for 'daughter' here, on this clip, I've initially transcribed as 'daster'
Looking again, it could well be 'dafter'.
In which case, this scribe could be using 'f' for that 'ugh' or 'gh' sound, which makes that word for the park 'beufe' into 'beugh(e)'.

Any thoughts?
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs