Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".

[BushInn1746]

I also just found a John Carney wed Jane Arle in 28 Feb 1825 in St Bride Fleet Street. Witnesses Thomas Richards and Mary Ann Arle.

Makes me wonder if John Carney was a relative of James Carney who wed Mary Ann Arle in January 1832.

In my wider 19th Century Tree (Avatar), I have two Topham brothers, marrying two Hudson sisters.

Because of that, I've had to show a cross-over, like you get in an electrical wiring line diagram.

Next, a Topham child has married a Wilson and a child from that marriage, has married a child from one of the marriages of the Hudson sisters.

Keeping it in the family (blood family intermarriage) springs to mind.

[BushInn1746]

I also just found a John Carney wed Jane Arle in 28 Feb 1825 in St Bride Fleet Street. Witnesses Thomas Richards and Mary Ann Arle.

Makes me wonder if John Carney was a relative of James Carney who wed Mary Ann Arle in January 1832.

Richards discussed previously, linked to Box.

Thos Trimlet present at one 1776 Marriage - previously Thomas Trimlet has married a Richards in 1770.

See below ...

Not the same James Smith signature.

But your James Smith family may have had same named individuals in parallel lines, or even a father perhaps?

Or a coincidence, the harder one looks, the more alternative connections, sometimes can be made.

James and Barbara Box, had a Son John baptised and James Box, Occupation was given.
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There is another James Box, who left a Will, Proved 1780 PCC, who was a Smith and a Brazier of Brook Street, in the Parish of St George, Hanover Square, Middlesex.

Requesting to buried in the Burial Ground at Paddington.
My Sister Jane Box now residing in Brook Street.
Reference to property in George Street, Grosvenor Square.
My Daughters Jane Box and Margaret Richards.
My Grand Daughter Jane Richards an Infant Daughter of Margaret Richards ...

(See also Voters Poll 1770s on Anc).

Will
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D383880

Added
[  ]th March 1776
Joseph Richard, Bachelor, married Margaret Box, Spinster.
[All signed & he signed Joseph Richards ]
Present (wits) Thos Trimlet ; Sarah Trimlet.

Marriage Indexed as 11 Mar 1776
Saint Dunstan And All Saints, Stepney: Rectory Square, Tower Hamlets, England

1770
Thomas Trimlet married Sarah Richards

[coombs]

Richards, Box, Carney, Smith. Could all be connected through marriage or friendship.

If John Carney wed in 1822 to Jane Arle, then I guess he was born about 1800, so maybe too young to be a son of Andrew who was born c1788.

[coombs]

On another note I think I have solved the mystery as to which Elizabeth Suckling born 1763 or 1766 in Finchingfield, Essex was my ancestor who wed Samuel Stock in 1791 in Finchingfield.

Both Elizabeth's had younger sisters called Susan born 1768 (sister of 1763 one) and 1770 (sister of 1766 one).

Samuel Stock witnessed the marriage of Susannah Suckling to Robert Snesham in 1793 in Finchy. Other witness J Martin seemed to be a regular witness. Seemed my Eliz had a sister Susan. Susan died in 1815 in Castle Hedingham aged 47 so born 1768. That backs up the 1768 Susan Suckling, even though ages back then cannot always be relied upon.

After much sleuthing and researching the ever valuable marriage witnesses, I think the 1763 Eliz Suckling daughter of Thos and Jane (Nee Walls) is my ancestor as opposed to 1766 daughter of Francis Suckling and Mary Bassom. Cannot be totally certain but the balance of probabilities points to 1763.

Thomas Suckling wed Jane Wall in January 1760, witnesses William Doe and John Glasscock. Thos was said to be a blacksmith. When my ancestor Eliz Suckling wed Samuel Stock in 1791, the witnesses were John Turner and Susannah Glasscock. Seems Susannah Glasscock was born 1774 in Finchingfield daughter of John and Eliz Glasscock (Nee Willis) who wed in 1765 in Finchy. Witnesses John and Eliz Rogers.

 Interestingly Thos Suckling occupied a property off John Rogers in 1775 in Finchy, as did John Turner and Hen/Thos Willis. And William Doe wed Ann Glasscock in October 1760, witnesses John Rogers and Sarah Hodgson.

[g eli]

I have several brickwalls but the one that really defeats me is Jonas White who married my great great grandmother in 1836 by licence had two daughters born 1839 and 1840.He was a professor of music but that is all I know of him.

[BushInn1746]

I have several brickwalls but the one that really defeats me is Jonas White who married my great great grandmother in 1836 by licence had two daughters born 1839 and 1840.He was a professor of music but that is all I know of him.

Jonas White appeared at Derby 9th November 1836 before the Rev William Fisher B.A.

Jonas White of the Parish of Castle Donnington, in the County of Leicester and Diocese of Lincoln Organ Builder a Bachelor of the full age of 21.

Prayed for a Licence, intending to marry at Parish church of Aston upon Trent, Martha Minton of the Parish of Aston upon Trent, in the County of Derby in the Diocese of Lichfield & Coventry, Spinster of the full age of 21.

He swore that Martha Minton had her usual abode at Aston upon Trent for 15 days last past.

I can see a Licence Intention [application] on f m p

GRO Index
Two WHITE surname female Births are Registered Mother M.S. MINTON in the Registration District of Shardlow.

Registration District
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/shardlow.html

Sarah Ann White 1839.
Rosanna White 1840.

[heywood]

There is this one
1851 2283 /558/6

Jonas White 32 yrs, Professor of Music
He is an unmarried visitor in the household of Ann Bulmer and family, Spfforth, Wetherby
His place of birth is transcribed as Newton but it might say ‘unknown’.

[heywood]

1861 3202 /22/37

There is a Jonas David White, 46 yrs  Organist b Thornton Bradford, Yorkshire
He is described as unmarried but it looks as ‘married’ is written above the occupation

1871 4558 /115/24

Jonas White 65 yrs widower, Musician, b Bradford
A pauper inmate

You have perhaps investigated these - no connection to Castle Donington though

[g eli]

Thank you Heywood  for your interest, I have wondered about the Jonas who is a visitor, but I can't verify. Other Jonas Whites in yorkshire I have ruled out at least temporarily, unless he was a bigamist. which from his mother in laws opinion of him in her will, is not impossible.
BushInn1746 where did you find the marriage licence information I looked on Find My Past with no luck.