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Re: Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 15 June 24 13:47 BST (UK) »
1851 St Peter Le Bailey, Queen Street, Oxford, England.
Sarah Smith, Head, W, 54, Laundress, Oxon, Oxford.
Elizabeth Smith, Daur, U, 19, Oxford.
Ann Smith, Daur, U, 18, Oxford.
George Smith, Son, U, 15, Tinman & Braziers App, born Oxford.
Charles Smith, Son, - , 13 Labourer in Cocoa Manufac'y, born Oxford.

1835, Baptism St Peter Le Bailey, Oxford.
25 June, George Son of James & Sarah Smith,
Abode: Broadwater's Yard, Arnold's Passage,
Trade: Tin Plate Worker & glazier,
By whom, [initial?] Reay, Curate.
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Oxford Chronicle and Berks and Bucks Gazette, 28th December 1850.
 
LARGE and substantial WORKSHOPS, situ-ate in Broadwater’s Passage, Queen Street, Oxford, now in the occupation of Mr. Wagstaff, currier, will be SOLD BY AUCTION early in the ensuing month.
 Further Particulars ...
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Oxford Journal, 21st February 1852

Street Commissioners' Meeting
 ...
Mr. Charles Ward attended and complained on behalf of Mr. Goddard, the owner of several houses in Broadwater's yard, Queen-street, of the inconveniences which his tenants suffered for want of a lamp in that yard, and the nuisance ...
 The Principal of Brasenose College said he did not see how they could open the question of lighting private property after the decision which the Board pronounced at their last meeting. ...
 Mr Ward replied that there were 16 occupiers of houses in that yard, and the owners considered that, as they paid a large amount for lighting and paving, they were entitled to a light. ...

Sarah Smith was an Inkpen by birth and her father was William Inkpen (1769-unknown death date). His father was William Inkpen born c1730 and the surname is unknown in Oxfordshire before 1765 so I guess he originally came from Dorset or Sussex or Kent which is where the main Inkpen families live. Wm Snr was a college servant in 1765 then a publican and died soon after his son Wm Inkpen Jnr was born in 1769.

I do wonder if James Smith was connected in any way to Andrew Carney or Hannah Hawkes, who witnessed his 1819 wedding.

Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 16 June 24 08:17 BST (UK) »
1851 St Peter Le Bailey, Queen Street, Oxford, England.
Sarah Smith, Head, W, 54, Laundress, Oxon, Oxford.
Elizabeth Smith, Daur, U, 19, Oxford.
Ann Smith, Daur, U, 18, Oxford.
George Smith, Son, U, 15, Tinman & Braziers App, born Oxford.
Charles Smith, Son, - , 13 Labourer in Cocoa Manufac'y, born Oxford.

1836, Baptism St Peter Le Bailey, Oxford.
25 June, George Son of James & Sarah Smith,
Abode: Broadwater's Yard, Arnold's Passage,
Trade: Tin Plate Worker & glazier,
By whom, [initial?] Reay, Curate.
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I have changed the above Baptism year, it reads 1836 top of the page.

This looks to be his Marriage ...


1856 Long Wittenham, Berkshire, 20 October, Marriage.

George Smith, 24, Tinman & Brazier, Residence Oxford S Peter le Bailey, Father James Smith, Tin Man & Brazier.
 &
Eliza Champ, 23, Spinster, Long Wittenham, Thomas Champ.

Present: Ann Pool ; James Pool

Berks Archive D/p153/1/8
NOT SEEN marriage image, info from transcription.

1861 Basingstoke, Hampshire
George Smith, 27, Tinman & Brazier, born Oxfordshire, Oxford.
Eliza Smith, 26, born Berks, Long Whittenham.

1871 & 1891 at Winchester Road, Basingstoke.
Eliza's Birthplaces given as Long Whittenham / Long Whitham.

A Tree on Ancestry has George Smith above, marrying someone else (but no Registrar or GRO, B, M, D, Certificates).

George Smith, Tin Smith below in 1901, looks to be the earlier Tin Plate Worker, but remarried by 1901?


1901 London St Paul, Deptford, Greenwich, Eccl Dist Christchurch
25 Giffin Street
George Smith, Head, M, 64, Tin Smith, Own Account, born Oxford.
Jane Smith, Wife, M, 30, Machinist nk, born London Borough.
 
George Smith, Tin Plate Worker / Tin Smith, born Oxford, looks to have remarried?
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1881 Basingstoke
7 Winchester Road
Census Schedule No 29
George Smith  Head, Mar, 44, Tin Plate Worker, born Oxford.
Eliza Smith, Wife, Mar, 47, born Berks Whitenham


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There was another George Smith, baptised in October 1835 at St Peter Le Bailey Oxford, with different parents, different abode and Father's occupation.

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Re: Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 16 June 24 20:48 BST (UK) »
Thanks, I shall have to see when George remarried and moved to London.

Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".
« Reply #39 on: Monday 17 June 24 13:13 BST (UK) »
1861 New Street, Oxford, England.
William J Smith, Head, Mar, 39 Tin Plate Worker, Oxford.
Sarah Smith, Wife, Mar, 38, Ironer in Laundry, Bucks High Wycombe.
Edw Simpson, Nephew, 6, Oxon, Oxford.

I can't get anywhere with this young Simpson chap?

What did you and anyone else make of him?

There seems to be 3 Simpson families having children, looking at GRO Registrations Mother's M.S. ... Bossom ; Wilson ; Hanks

Mark


Hi, I have William James Smith born 1821 who wed in 1844 in Oxford to Sarah Smart.
Elizabeth Smith born 1831 in Oxford who wed 1857 to Alfred Drury.
Charles Smith born 1838 in oxford who wed in London in 1859 to Amelia Stubbs.

One of James Smith's daughters seems to vanish after the 1861 census, Ann Smith born 1833 in Oxford. Last seen on the 1861 census aged 28 unmarried, servant born St Peter Le Bailey, servant to Isaac West, living at 67 St Giles Street, Oxford.


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Re: Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 18 June 24 21:47 BST (UK) »
1861 New Street, Oxford, England.
William J Smith, Head, Mar, 39 Tin Plate Worker, Oxford.
Sarah Smith, Wife, Mar, 38, Ironer in Laundry, Bucks High Wycombe.
Edw Simpson, Nephew, 6, Oxon, Oxford.

I can't get anywhere with this young Simpson chap?

What did you and anyone else make of him?

There seems to be 3 Simpson families having children, looking at GRO Registrations Mother's M.S. ... Bossom ; Wilson ; Hanks

Mark


Hi, I have William James Smith born 1821 who wed in 1844 in Oxford to Sarah Smart.
Elizabeth Smith born 1831 in Oxford who wed 1857 to Alfred Drury.
Charles Smith born 1838 in oxford who wed in London in 1859 to Amelia Stubbs.

One of James Smith's daughters seems to vanish after the 1861 census, Ann Smith born 1833 in Oxford. Last seen on the 1861 census aged 28 unmarried, servant born St Peter Le Bailey, servant to Isaac West, living at 67 St Giles Street, Oxford.

Not sure where this Simpson chap fits in either. I have had a look myself.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 18 June 24 22:59 BST (UK) »
Meant to say those 3 Simpson couples registering Births, were in the Reg'n District of Oxford only.

1861
William J. Smith (as above)
Sarah Smith (as above)
Edw Simpson, Nephew, 6, born Oxon, Oxford
(f m p transcribe Edward).

Only other full names I can think of:- Edwin / Edwyn?

Looks like Simpson surname?

Just imagine if he was linked to an unknown Smith relative?

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Re: Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".
« Reply #42 on: Thursday 20 June 24 21:28 BST (UK) »
Two of the four Simpson marriages registering Births (around the time of Edw Simpson) in the Oxford & Headington Reg'n Districts:-

1844 Oxford, St Thomas, by Banns
Joseph Simpson, Boatman, (Father, Robert Simpson) and
Ellen Bossom, (Father, Chas Bossom).
Present (wits) John Humpriss his mark ; M. Lewis.

1840 Oxford, St Giles with St Mary, by Banns,
28 Oct'r.
John Simson, (Father, William Simson)
and
Maria Kearse, (Father, William Kearse).
Present (wits) George Plester ; Harriet Elkins.
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Free BMD has this Female Birth listed:-
1855 Simson, Female, Reg'n District Oxford.

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Re: Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".
« Reply #43 on: Friday 21 June 24 10:59 BST (UK) »
Another Marriage (3rd found) of the 4 couples registering Simpson Births in the Reg'n District of Oxford.

1845, 21 Dec'r Oxford, St Peter Le Bailey by Banns.
Charles Simpson, B, Groom, Broken Hays, Thomas Simpson, Labourer.
And
Frances Charlotte Hanks, S, Broken Hays, Nathaniel Hanks, Carpenter.
Present (wits) William Russell ; Elizabeth Smallman.

Can't find Simpson = Wilson, marriage.

Two Sampson Baptisms (parent of one married as Simpson?)

1857 St Ebbe, Oxford
Robert Sampson, S of Robert & Eliza Mary Ann Sampson, Littlegate, Tailor.

Seems to be their Marriage? ...
1853 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Robert Simpson, 21, Taylor, Robert Simpson, Taylor.
And
Eliza Maria Ann Andrews, 20, Wm Andrews, Commercial Traveller.
(Signed Robert Samsiren & Eliza Mary Ann Andrews)
Present (wits) George Newman ; Hannah Newman ; William Brown.

Married as Simpson, baptism of child Sampson
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1854 St Ebbe Baptism
Charles Stevens Sampson, S of James & Susan Sampson, Beef Lane, Tailor.

Listed on one site as Charles Stevenson Sampson, but image says Stevens.

Possible marriage ...

1846, 27th Dec'r, St Martin in the Fields
James Sampson, Bach, Tailor, Robert Sampson, Tailor.
And
Susan Stevens, Spinster, Issac Stevens, Excise Officer.
Present (wits): John Seymour ; Mary Ann Pipen? (or Mary Ann Piper?)
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In the Oxfordshire Archives there might be Nonconformist Registers of Births too, for mid 1850s?

I'll leave you to go through the Census and BMD, Baptisms etc, but plenty of possible couples and some surname combinations also online, for the parents of the mystery 'Edw Simpson'.

Oxford seems to have a lot of Parishes too.

The 1851 Map of Registration Districts on Family Search seems to show the Sub-districts, which might possibly be used in later Census as Birthplaces, if 'Edw Simpson' survived long enough.

We don't know if Edw was a middle or aka family forename?

Also Oxford not far from Berkshire.

1861
'Edw Simpson' 6, Nephew, might be related to Smith's Wife? I had this with a Cousin of a Male Household Head.

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Re: Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".
« Reply #44 on: Friday 21 June 24 15:58 BST (UK) »
Yes I guess William Smith could describe Edwin Simpson as a nephew when he was a nephew by marriage.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain