Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".

[BushInn1746]

BushInn1746 where did you find the marriage licence information I looked on Find My Past with no luck.

Because you seemed confident you had his name correct "Jonas White"

I don't use my f m p app.

Just checked I can still get image again & noted stages.

But on awkward ones that won't return (that I think should), I start fresh from Google

1. search engine "Find My Past" (but do not click the sponsored one).
2. if signed in. On Find My Past click Menu lines (top right)
3. click Search
4. click Records by Category
5. click B M D & Parish
Here you should get the page where you enter search details
6. make sure Britain is selected
7. make sure the one beneath is on B M D & Parish
8. remove All subcategories by selecting 'Parish Marriages'
9. Enter his forname Jonas, but UNTICK because you have exact spelling of Jonas
(That is assuming the site has spelt it correct, but as you know they don't always)
10. enter White in surname (leave on exact)
11. enter year 1836 and
12. make year EXACT (remove -/+ 2 years)
13. click search

Three results.

One of the 3 results should be the Licence image. I have World / Full Membership (whatever they call it)

We have to click the image in England since it was changed

I find with the internet, I can find a document one day, then another day I can't find it ( I wonder if the last search has cleared).

Mark

[heywood]

I did wonder about the censuses.
I think it might say ‘musician’ rather than married in 1861.
If the couple separated, he could have described himself as single but then when he was in the workhouse, ‘widower’ referred back to his marriage to Martha, rather than a bigamous one.
All supposition.

[coombs]

I often try and follow up on new leads, even small ones but always remain pessimistic, and always be aware of the coincidences that happen. For example:-

My several times great grandfather James Gater, a maltster of Burford Oxfordshire, who wed in 1711 in Burford to Sarah Smallbones. In 1717 James was said to be a maltster of Burford who agreed to rent a property for £10 a year. Witnesses John Boulter and Humphrey Gillett. Now, James has children Joseph 1711, James 1714 (my direct ancestor), John 1717, William 1720 and Mary 1725. In 1720, Robert Wakefield of Rissington in Gloucestershire made malt at the house of James Gater in Burford, and James paid duties to the City of London. James’ son James Gater born 1714 became a baker and in 1744 in Burford he took on Thomas Wentworth for 7 years as an apprentice baker, whose family had links to Bedwyn in Wiltshire. A Francis Gater of Wellington Somerset had property in Wellington which involved a William Lentall of Burford in Oxfordshire. Coincidence? A James Gater was born 1668 in Uffculme in Devon, son of Francis and Mary. The James Gater born in 1679 in Lambourn, berkshire is a candidate as well. Burford in oxfordshire had a lot of trades people there so people likely moved there from other parts of England, as my Smallbones and Holder family in Burford have shown, they came from near Woburn in Bedfordshire originally.

Above is an example of a few leads, but always remaining with an open mind, especially when you get back that far. James Gater never left a will as far as I know when he died in 1737.

[Pennines]

By coincidence, I have just re-visited a brickwall and at last found the person I was seeking.

She was the second wife of my 5th Great Grandfather, Isaac Townend of West Yorkshire (hence she was not actually a blood ancestor of mine).

However it was her forename which had 'bugged' me!

Isaac married a Julip Barker - a widow - on 7 Oct 1794 at Birstall (a parish in West Yorks covering many smaller townships). Her name was Julip at marriage AND in Isaac's will.

As her forename was so unusual, I was curious about the names of her parents and siblings.

I discovered that a Julip Haigh had married a Joseph Barker -- so her maiden name was Haigh.

Eventually, after much re-visiting - I found her baptism in 1743 in Birstall - as 'Julep Hague'. (I don't know why it took me so long actually.)

She appears to have had 5 siblings - 3 with 'normal' forenames - Betty Haigh 1729, Richard Haigh 1730, Jennet Haigh 1733. All born Heckmondwike in Birstall Parish.

However there are 2 more with a father Thomas Haigh;

Neriah 1738
Milkah 1747

So Neriah, Julip and Milkah! What very unusual names.

There may be more lurking around who I haven't found, but I was pleased to have tracked Julip down.

[DavidG02]

I've fallen back onto my Schumann family and using Ancestry DNA algorithms on trees and DNA matching to hopefully break it back a generation

I had seen a few names which I was convinced were part of my family and had kept them at arms length for 5 years but with the above I decided to add them and hopefully over the next few months they produce some solid matches - and if they dont I delete them and keep them once more at arms lengths

I am still looking for Blackstone in Windsor and Dorset but pre-1800 DNA matches are hard to interpret

My Simpsons are still stuck at 1857 proven levels - again a possibility but nothing in DNA to help

Always hopeful always looking

[Pennines]

Oh my goodness, David -- I don't even know what DNA algorithms means!

Sounds complicated and difficult, so I wish you luck.

[DavidG02]

Oh my goodness, David -- I don't even know what DNA algorithms means!

Sounds complicated and difficult, so I wish you luck.

Just a fancy name for you doing Ancestrys homework for them

If you provide a Family Tree Ancestry will scour other trees looking for similar names and offer hints for you

These are then also analysed to see if there are matched names and suddenly you are a DNA match!

Ok a bit over the top but thats how I feel how half the names as matches are given

[coombs]

I often try and follow up on new leads, even small ones but always remain pessimistic, and always be aware of the coincidences that happen. For example:-

My several times great grandfather James Gater, a maltster of Burford Oxfordshire, who wed in 1711 in Burford to Sarah Smallbones. In 1717 James was said to be a maltster of Burford who agreed to rent a property for £10 a year. Witnesses John Boulter and Humphrey Gillett. Now, James has children Joseph 1711, James 1714 (my direct ancestor), John 1717, William 1720 and Mary 1725. In 1720, Robert Wakefield of Rissington in Gloucestershire made malt at the house of James Gater in Burford, and James paid duties to the City of London. James’ son James Gater born 1714 became a baker and in 1744 in Burford he took on Thomas Wentworth for 7 years as an apprentice baker, whose family had links to Bedwyn in Wiltshire. A Francis Gater of Wellington Somerset had property in Wellington which involved a William Lentall of Burford in Oxfordshire. Coincidence? A James Gater was born 1668 in Uffculme in Devon, son of Francis and Mary. The James Gater born in 1679 in Lambourn, berkshire is a candidate as well. Burford in oxfordshire had a lot of trades people there so people likely moved there from other parts of England, as my Smallbones and Holder family in Burford have shown, they came from near Woburn in Bedfordshire originally.

Above is an example of a few leads, but always remaining with an open mind, especially when you get back that far. James Gater never left a will as far as I know when he died in 1737.

I did more digging and it does seem the James Gater of Uffculme in Devon in 1668 was someone else, the son of Francis Gater. That James seemed to marry to a Joan in Devon/Somerset in about 1695, and died in 1698. And my James Gater of Burford, Oxfordshire was another James Gater, the one born in Lambourn, Berkshire in 1679 is back on as a candidate then.

It is coincidence that Devon Francis Gater's landlord lived in Burford, Oxfordshire. William Lenthall was a local squire anyway.

Also the Uffculme James Gater born 1668 had a brother Nathaniel Gater, and they both died in 1698 and 1699 respectively in nearby Ashbrittle, Somerset along with their dad Francis in 1712. If it was the same James Gater who moved 80 odd miles to Burford, and he wed in 1711, why did he not name any of his sons Nathaniel or Francis? He named then Joseph, John, James and William.

Still a chance James Gater of Burford was part of the Devon Gater's extended family but unlikely. I know James Jnr had connections to Gloucester and London.

[BushInn1746]

DNA still depends on the accuracy of the other person's / persons' research (their ability to be able to look or find evidence, purchase or obtain the paperwork etc, Certificates, Wills) for their Tree/s.

Some Trees, are very good, but some Trees copy the errors of others, when checked against documents.

Some don't even have the Census images attached.

Keep your chins up coombs and everyone, I always maintain that some place, somewhere (unknown currently), a document, record or Headstone, has the answer, or a clue to it at least.

I'm still trying too, I've got a clearer scan of a witness signature and I'm no longer certain it says James Cockin, or B.T., Jane Cockin.

Halfway through the k, the writer has stopped and carried it on too.

Mark