Revisiting brickwalls and "backburners".

[BushInn1746]

Tin Plate, Brazier, sometimes these were called White-Smiths.

Found the following with Oxford links or their children marrying Oxford, England (Father on Marriages).

1840s to 1850s.
James Smith, Gent.
James Smith, Tin Plate worker.
James Smith, Baker.
James Smith, Soldier.
James Smith, Labourer.

The Owner of some of the houses in Broadwater's Yard, Queen Street, Oxford, was Mr Goddard.

1850s
Apart from a request by Mr Goddard for a light to the Local Board (refused - Privately owned Alley) and a separate Public Health Report, there is not much for this Broadwater's Yard address.

On the sanatory condition of Oxford. By W. P. Ormerod
1848
https://books.google.com/books/about/On_the_sanatory_condition_of_Oxford_By_W.html?id=aWTWt9QkwYQC#v=onepage&q=%22Broadwater%20Yard%22&f=false

In 1839, there was a Thomas Henry Annesley, Whitesmith, Locksmith & Bellhanger, giving the Yard as his address.

[BushInn1746]

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879761.msg7539278#msg7539278

Do you have any other Smith children marrying, besides Eliza Smith?

[Biggles50]

Another brickwall of mine relates to a 96cM DNA match.

A surname of Atherton and with a forename that I will keep to myself, with no family tree and no response to messages.

The problem was that there are over 120 (forename) Atherton’s born from 1940 to 1980 so a needle in a haystack.

Five years of ad hoc reviews and finally nailed him (probably) as a 2C1R.

[BushInn1746]

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879761.msg7539278#msg7539278

Do you have any other Smith children marrying, besides Eliza Smith?

1856 Long Wittenham, Berkshire, 20 October, Marriage.

George Smith, 24, Tinman & Brazier, Residence Oxford S Peter le Bailey, Father James Smith, Tin Man & Brazier.
 &
Eliza Champ, 23, Spinster, Long Wittenham, Thomas Champ.

Present: Ann Pool ; James Pool

Berks Archive D/p153/1/8
NOT SEEN marriage image, info from transcription.

1861 Basingstoke, Hampshire
George Smith, 27, Tinman & Brazier, born Oxfordshire, Oxford.
Eliza Smith, 26, born Berks, Long Whittenham.

1871 & 1891 at Winchester Road, Basingstoke.
Eliza's Birthplaces given as Long Whittenham / Long Whitham.

[BushInn1746]

Those Present at the above Marriage look to be:-

1853 Long Wittenham 16th October, by Banns.

James Pool, 23, Bachelor, Labourer, Long Wittenham, Richard Pool, Labourer.
 &
Ann Champ, 23, Spinster, Long Wittenham,  Thomas Champ, Labourer.

Present: Amy Thatcher ; Eliza Eason

From Transcription - NOT SEEN image.
Berkshire Archives D/p153/1/8 Parish Records.

[coombs]

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879761.msg7539278#msg7539278

Do you have any other Smith children marrying, besides Eliza Smith?

Hi, I have William James Smith born 1821 who wed in 1844 in Oxford to Sarah Smart.
Elizabeth Smith born 1831 in Oxford who wed 1857 to Alfred Drury.
Charles Smith born 1838 in oxford who wed in London in 1859 to Amelia Stubbs.

One of James Smith's daughters seems to vanish after the 1861 census, Ann Smith born 1833 in Oxford. Last seen on the 1861 census aged 28 unmarried, servant born St Peter Le Bailey, servant to Isaac West, living at 67 St Giles Street, Oxford.

[coombs]

Tin Plate, Brazier, sometimes these were called White-Smiths.

Found the following with Oxford links or their children marrying Oxford, England (Father on Marriages).

1840s to 1850s.
James Smith, Gent.
James Smith, Tin Plate worker.
James Smith, Baker.
James Smith, Soldier.
James Smith, Labourer.

The Owner of some of the houses in Broadwater's Yard, Queen Street, Oxford, was Mr Goddard.

1850s
Apart from a request by Mr Goddard for a light to the Local Board (refused - Privately owned Alley) and a separate Public Health Report, there is not much for this Broadwater's Yard address.

On the sanatory condition of Oxford. By W. P. Ormerod
1848
https://books.google.com/books/about/On_the_sanatory_condition_of_Oxford_By_W.html?id=aWTWt9QkwYQC#v=onepage&q=%22Broadwater%20Yard%22&f=false

In 1839, there was a Thomas Henry Annesley, Whitesmith, Locksmith & Bellhanger, giving the Yard as his address.

Thanks very much for the info, and for the George Smith wedding in 1856. So a tin plate worker may also be known as a whitesmith?

[BushInn1746]

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879761.msg7539278#msg7539278

Do you have any other Smith children marrying, besides Eliza Smith?

1856 Long Wittenham, Berkshire, 20 October, Marriage.

George Smith, 24, Tinman & Brazier, Residence Oxford S Peter le Bailey, Father James Smith, Tin Man & Brazier.
 &
Eliza Champ, 23, Spinster, Long Wittenham, Thomas Champ.

Present: Ann Pool ; James Pool

Berks Archive D/p153/1/8
NOT SEEN marriage image, info from transcription.

1861 Basingstoke, Hampshire
George Smith, 27, Tinman & Brazier, born Oxfordshire, Oxford.
Eliza Smith, 26, born Berks, Long Whittenham.

1871 & 1891 at Winchester Road, Basingstoke.
Eliza's Birthplaces given as Long Whittenham / Long Whitham.

1901 London St Paul, Deptford, Greenwich, Eccl Dist Christchurch
25 Giffin Street
George Smith, Head, M, 64, Tin Smith, Own Account, born Oxford.
Jane Smith, Wife, M, 30, Machinist nk, born London Borough.
 
George Smith, Tin Plate Worker / Tin Smith, born Oxford, looks to have remarried?
 ----------
1881 Basingstoke
7 Winchester Road
Census Schedule No 29
George Smith  Head, Mar, 44, Tin Plate Worker, born Oxford.
Eliza Smith, Wife, Mar, 47, born Berks Whitenham

Coincidence or what, Smith next Schedule No.

1881 Basingstoke. (Previous image)
Census Schedule No. 28
Rose Hill, Basingstoke
James Smith, Head, Mar, 73, Retired Seedsman, born Hants, Basingstoke.
All Born Hants Basingstoke.
Grace Smith, Wife, Mar, 59,
Charlotte Smith, Daur, 43 School Mistress,
Elizabeth Smith, Daur, 21, Do
Charles Smith, Son, 18, [occupation ?]
Frank Smith, Son, 16, Ironmongers Apprentice
 ----------
A person who worked with Tin and sheet metals was sometimes called a Whitesmith.

Some Whitesmiths polished or burnished items, to a bright finish or plated metal items.

Added -
See also Tinning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinning#History

[BushInn1746]

1851 St Peter Le Bailey, Queen Street, Oxford, England.
Sarah Smith, Head, W, 54, Laundress, Oxon, Oxford.
Elizabeth Smith, Daur, U, 19, Oxford.
Ann Smith, Daur, U, 18, Oxford.
George Smith, Son, U, 15, Tinman & Braziers App, born Oxford.
Charles Smith, Son, - , 13 Labourer in Cocoa Manufac'y, born Oxford.

1836, Baptism St Peter Le Bailey, Oxford.
25 June, George Son of James & Sarah Smith,
Abode: Broadwater's Yard, Arnold's Passage,
Trade: Tin Plate Worker & glazier,
By whom, [initial?] Reay, Curate.
 ----------
Oxford Chronicle and Berks and Bucks Gazette, 28th December 1850.
 
LARGE and substantial WORKSHOPS, situ-ate in Broadwater’s Passage, Queen Street, Oxford, now in the occupation of Mr. Wagstaff, currier, will be SOLD BY AUCTION early in the ensuing month.
 Further Particulars ...
 ----------
Oxford Journal, 21st February 1852

Street Commissioners' Meeting
 ...
Mr. Charles Ward attended and complained on behalf of Mr. Goddard, the owner of several houses in Broadwater's yard, Queen-street, of the inconveniences which his tenants suffered for want of a lamp in that yard, and the nuisance ...
 The Principal of Brasenose College said he did not see how they could open the question of lighting private property after the decision which the Board pronounced at their last meeting. ...
 Mr Ward replied that there were 16 occupiers of houses in that yard, and the owners considered that, as they paid a large amount for lighting and paving, they were entitled to a light. ...