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Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« on: Monday 20 May 24 01:42 BST (UK) »
Hello,
I am trying to find information on my husband's great grandmother, Elizabeth Alice Edwards. This is the information I have, so far!

Marriage (Registration No 1891002960):
Henry Edward Griggs place of birth Dover, occupation Cook/Bachelor, usual address Napier, Parents Jane Griggs nee Bailey and Geoffry Griggs, married on the 4th of Nov 1891 in Napier Cathedral, Elizabeth Alice Edwards place of birth London, spinster, parents George Edwards & Jane Edwards nee Compton.

Death (1939024965):
Elizabeth Alice Griggs died on the 28th of March 1939, Hospital Palmerston North from 235 Ruahine St, Palmerston North, NZ. Cause of death Coronary Thrombosis, Coronary Sclerosis. Certifying doctor A G Stanley. Last seen alive by doctor 28th March 1939. Age at death 71yrs. Place of birth London, England. Number of years in NZ-56yrs. Buried on the 31st of March 1939, Kelvin Grove Cemetery, NZ. Daughter age 45yrs, sons 43yrs, 42yrs, 40yrs & 33yrs. Mother Jane Edwards nee Compton. Father George Edwards. Spouse Henry Edward Griggs. Age when married 23yrs, Place Napier, NZ.

Obituary of Mrs. Elizabeth Griggs:
The death occurred recently at her home in Ruahine Street of Mrs. Elizabeth Alice Griggs aged 71, and the interment took place on March 31 at Kelvin Grove Cemetery.
Born in London, the late Mrs. Griggs came to New Zealand on the ship 'Westland' in 1883 with her parents, the late Mr. & Mrs. G Edwards (not sure if this is correct) and they settled at Napier, where she was married in 1890 to Mr. Henry E Griggs after residing for a period in Wellington, Mr. & Mrs. Griggs took up farming in the Pahiatua and Eketahuna districts, where they broke in a virgin block of land and in 1920, they came to Palmerston North, where they have since resided.
Mrs. Griggs was of a retiring disposition devoted to her home and family. She was survived by her husband, four sons, Messer's E. Griggs (Tauranga), F. Griggs (Wanganui) H. Griggs (Kairangi, Waikato) B. Griggs (Auckland) and a daughter, Mrs. A. C. Richardson (Palmerson North) There are also seven Grandchildren.

Family Folklore... Elizabeth came out to NZ at the age of 16 yrs. She was with her sister Lousia Annie who went on to Australia. It is said that another sister Emma went to Canada (no prove).
I have found her sister Lousia and indeed came to Australia and buried here.
The birth date I was given for Elizabeth 17 May 1866 London. Lousia Annie 7 Nov 1863 London.
I was also given a birth date for their mother Jane Campton 26 May 1837 no place. Their father I was told was born in Windsor, England. No Date.
The father George Edwards was supposed to be a "Gentleman's Gentleman"? and spoke various languages? The story goes that he left the family and Jane had to look after all the children by herself. The three eldest girls went overseas leaving the mother with several younger children.
I was also told that Elizabeth's parents lived at 39 Norfolk sq, Hyde Park, London.?

Most of the above, I take with a grain of salt. Some, I have proven.

Where it states in the Obituary "the late Mrs. Griggs came to New Zealand on the ship 'Westland' in 1883 with her parents, the late Mr. & Mrs. G Edwards and they settled at Napier". She may have come on the "Westland", but I do not believe that her parents came over here. My husband John's father (Desmond) was born in 1926 and remembered his grandparents. He never heard that Elizabeth's parents were on the ship. His story and other sons stated that it was only the girls.

I cannot find any document on these parents. Any help pointing me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Isabel
 










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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 May 24 04:59 BST (UK) »
Do Louisa Annie’s details give the same parents and place of birth?

Have you found her birth in England?

In fact…please provide all the details you have for Louisa Annie

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #2 on: Monday 20 May 24 05:59 BST (UK) »
Just to clarify.  Is the story that Louisa was on board the ship to NZ and then she went on to Australia later?

So if they changed their names they might be any one of the pairs of presumably sisters on the list of passengers.  I certainly don’t see any Edwards on this arrival.  Was there another sailing of the Westland in a different year?

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18831102.2.10?query=samuel

Single women from that sailing of the Westland were destined for the Hawkes Bay so that fits at least.

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #3 on: Monday 20 May 24 06:21 BST (UK) »


Who are the witnesses for the marriage certificate, 1891?



"I have found her sister Lousia and indeed came to Australia and buried here."
What have you found for Louisa?....marriage?...death?....where?....when?.


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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 08:28 BST (UK) »
Fascinating tangle of information and family folklore

Could this death relate to father George and wife Jane??   Probably too old :-\  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t6p/

Deleted - Looks like this husband Thomas not George


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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 10:53 BST (UK) »
Wow! Thank you all for responding.
mckha-489 ... to answer your questions on Lousia Annie Edwards... This is what I have!
1) I know that Lousia Annie is Elizabeth's sister. In 1894 Elizabeth and Henry E Griggs had a girl. Her name was Lousia Alice Griggs she was born in NZ. I have a photo of Lousia Annie Edwards with this little girl, she would have been about 3yrs. We believe that Lousia Annie went over from Australia to visit her sister and children. If the photo is anything to go by it would have been about 1896/7. I have not found a travel record from Aussie to NZ for Lousie Annie yet.

2) I have not long ago found this record, which looks positive. I see that the date in J-A-S 1862. Not the date the family gave me out of the family bible 🤔 I will send for it. As I mentioned, I take the families account with a grain of salt.
Birth: Possible
Name: Louisa Annie Edwards
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1862
Registration District: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 105

3) Lousia Annie Edwards never married. I found her living at 63 Brown Street, Paddington Municipality, Sydney, Australia.
She is buried in the Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood, Sydney. Section: 14
Grave: 6129
Public Trustee paid for funeral
Buried alone
No Headstone
Place of death: Paddington
Dote of interment: 12th May 1942
Age of deceased: 81yrs

My hubby, John and I found her grave in Rookwood and sat and had a cup of tea with her and left flowers. 😊

Kind regards,
Isabel






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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 10:54 BST (UK) »
4) I found this in the 1881 England Census, I won't post the whole document.
1881 England Census
Name: Louisa A. Edwards
Age:16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:124 Lad Gro Rd
Education: Employment status:
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Occupation: Domestic Serv
Registration District: Kensington
Sub-registration District: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel:47

5)Australian Electoral Roll:
1930 & 1936 was living at 36 Brown St, Paddington-Home Duties.

6)  I requested death cert on the 26th of July 09 received death cert on the 29th of July 09 from Laurie
NSW DEATH REGISTRATION TRANSCRIPTION                    REF NO: 1942/11939
Name: Louise Annie Edwards
Date of Death: 10th May 1942
Place: 63 Brown Street, Paddington Municipality
Rank or profession: No entry
Sex & Age: Female, 83 years
Cause of Death: Senility (heart disease)
Length of Illness: Inquest unnecessary
Medical Attendant: ET Oram SM (city coroner)
Date Last seen:  11th Mar 1942
Father: No entry
Occupation: No entry
Mother: No entry
Informant: JW Travis, sergeant 3/C Police Station, Darlinghurst, Sydney
Registration: L Thompson, 25th May 1942, Paddington
Date of Burial: 12th May 1942
Place of Burial: Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood
Undertaker: EE Murray employed by Wood Coffill Limited
Minister & Religion: RO Todd, Church of England
Witnesses: O Tolhurst and W Hawkings
Place of Birth: London, England
Time in Aust Colonies: About 50 years in Australia
Place of Marriage: Not married
Age at Marriage: No entry
Name of Spouse: No entry
Children of Marriage: No entry
Other Details: None stated
Transcribed by Laurence Turtle
PO Box 144 Kurrajong 2758
Phone: (02) 4573 1559 Fax: (02) 4573 0536
Web Site: http://home.iprimus.com.au/lturtle/
Email: lturtle@iprimus.com.au

7)Wrote to the Public Trustee in Sydney for "Will" information address:
Attention Records
NSW Trustee & Guardians
GPO Box 7
Sydney 2001

Dear Ms Griggs
Wrote to the Public Trustee in Sydney for "Will" information address:
Attention Records
NSW Trustee & Guardians
GPO Box 7
Sydney 2001

 I acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 30th July 2009.
 Please be advised that due to the length of time since the death of your late great grandaunt it will be necessary for this Office to conduct manual searches of our records Department.
 I will contact you again when results of searches are to hand.
 Yours sincerely
 D Stevens
From the NSW TRUSTEE AND GUARDIAN. received on the 05 Aug 09.

Estate of Louisa Annie Edwards: -Will details attached in Scrapebook:
In the Supreme Court of NSW, Probate Jurisdiction.
Affidavit of death: -Deponent, Emily Alice Wilomer, of 21 Jiges St. Potts Point, NSW, occupation: retired sworn on the 19th of May 1942.
Affidavit of John Charles Watt, 19 O'Connell Street, Sydney, occupation: public servant- sworn on the 18th day of May 1942.
Particulars of property:
Commonwealth Saving Bank, Sydney.
A/c No. G386373Balance: 121pounds, 0 shillings and 7 pence. interest 2 pounds, 5 shillings and 1 pence.
Jewlery valued at 3 shillings
Cash 2 pounds and 10 shillings and 7 pence-Total 125 pounds and 19 shillings and 3 pence.

Lousia Annie Edwards worked here: SCOTTISH HOSPITAL - Brown Street, Paddington, originally known as The Terraces and was built in the 1840s by Judge Kinchella - a notable feature is the tropical forest in the grounds aided by having been laid out in a gully. It was acquired by Sir Alexander MacCormick (Kilmory, Point Piper) an eminent surgeon and academic who gave it in 1926 with an endowment of 26,000 pounds to the Presbyterian Church in memory of his son who was killed in WWI.

Yes, the story goes that both girls came on the ship. Lousia supposedly was working for a family that had children and they lived in Australia. She went with them. Elizabeth Alice was working for a family as a lady's maid and went to NZ

I don't think that they changed their names.
Isabel

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 10:55 BST (UK) »
Hello wivenhoe,
To answer your question- I put the marriage cert information on my message at the top. That was all the information on the certificate.

Hello Kay99,
I agree, you wrote- Fascinating tangle of information and family folklore. Oh, I have more tales for the Griggs side of the family. When I produced evidence, b.m.d. certificates, workhouse information, census. I was told I had it all wrong from one Auntie as it did not fit with the story, she had 🤣

Once again, to you all. I appreciate you replying and giving me links and other ideas.

One thing I don't know how to reply to each message separately. Sorry. I hope that you don't think me rude for not replying individually.
Isabel

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 11:35 BST (UK) »
Based on the age of Louisa when she died I think she would be born about 1859  and I found this family in 1861 that might be worth looking at  - Living at Tottenham Place St Pancras

Jane Edwards    35    Head married House Servant b Englefield Green, Surrey
Emma Jane Edwards 8  Daughter b Marylebone
Louisa Anne Edwards 5 months Daughter b St Pancras

Have to go out now

Kay