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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 17 May 24 09:48 BST (UK) »
Do you have him in later records?
Did he stay with Eliza, his mother?
I am just wondering if she was not from that parish, however, I can’t see a baptism anywhere else.

Moses is in many, many subsequent records, but not with his mother. He joined the BA in the 1880s, and went off to dutifully pacify the natives in various pink colored parts of the world.

His marriage registration in 1907 gives his father's name as James Doyle, but I suspect that is his maternal grandfather.  That is one reason I am interested in locating a baptismal record, as it would probably show the father's name, if known.
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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 17 May 24 10:19 BST (UK) »
Is he the one who joined the Connaught Rangers in 1887 + birthplace, Rathnure?
Does that military record give a next of kin?
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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 17 May 24 10:25 BST (UK) »
Is he the one who joined the Connaught Rangers in 1887 + birthplace, Rathnure?
Does that military record give a next of kin?

Yes, that is him, Rathnure is the same parish as Templeudigan.

Of course his military record is on an additional subscription service (Fold3) of a subscription service, which is a step too far for me, for a very distant connection.
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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 21 October 25 22:13 BST (UK) »
Wexflyer, thank you for well done Moses, Mogue, Aidan piece.


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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 22 October 25 03:59 BST (UK) »
Is he the one who joined the Connaught Rangers in 1887 + birthplace, Rathnure?
Does that military record give a next of kin?

Yes, that is him, Rathnure is the same parish as Templeudigan.

Of course his military record is on an additional subscription service (Fold3) of a subscription service, which is a step too far for me, for a very distant connection.

I should say as an update that a kind soul generously provided a copy of his military record.
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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 23 October 25 21:33 BST (UK) »
The birth certificate seems to indicate he was illegitimate. Are any illegitimate children listed around that period in the parish register? Another possibility that he was older than the birth registration indicates but I suspect you've already checked for earlier entries/
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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 24 October 25 06:07 BST (UK) »
The birth certificate seems to indicate he was illegitimate. Are any illegitimate children listed around that period in the parish register? Another possibility that he was older than the birth registration indicates but I suspect you've already checked for earlier entries/

Yes, he was illegitimate, hence no father's namein the civil  registration, and why I am interested in finding a baptismal record.  And yes, I did check back for an earlier baptismal entry - none obvious.

One reason I posted this query was because it may be of some interest as the reverse of the usual case, i.e. where a baptism exists, but not the civil registration.

As for your other question, regarding whether other illegitimate children appear in the baptismal register, it is 18 months since I looked, and I am afraid I don't recall. And as Moses is a very distant DNA match, I lack the motivation to go back and recheck!
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