Baird Ayr.

[Neale1961]

John Baird married Helen Watson in 1817 in Glasgow.

What is your reason for thinking he was born in Ayr in 1784?

[Dundee]

The 1871 census has John living in St Andrew Dundee with his daughter Jane.

According to the census, John was born in Hamilton, Lanarkshire, not Ayrshire.

Are you looking at the correct John and Helen?

That Jane is far too old to be the Jane who was the daughter of John BAIRD and Helen WATSON.  She was baptised in 1820 so would have been around 51 in 1871, not 63.  The 1871 Jane married in 1833.  The Dalfield Walk family in Dundee are not the right ones.

This looks like the right ones in Madon Bank (Meadow Bank?), St Cuthberts, Edinburgh in 1841.

John Baird  45, Gardener
Helen Baird  45
Jane Baird  20
John Baird  15
Wm Baird  15
Elbert Mcallister  40
Euphemia Mcallister  40

Just a transcription so I can't vouch for accuracy.  John and Helen thought they were aged 45-49 so a year of birth around 1792 - 1796.

Debra 

[Glynn65]

Debra, I’d agree with you, John a Gardener, his son and Grandson was both Gardeners.

[Forfarian]

This looks like the right ones in Madon Bank, St Cuthberts, Edinburgh in 1841.
John Baird  45, Gardener
Helen Baird  45
Jane Baird  20
John Baird  15
Wm Baird  15
Elbert Mcallister  40
Euphemia Mcallister  40

FreeCEN transcribes the address as Meadow Bank, and the McAllisters are Gilbert and Euphemia, in a separate household, so there's nothing there to help with the Baird family. SP and FindMyPast also say Gilbert not Elbert. I assume, therefore, that the foregoing is from Ancestry.

[Neale1961]

That Jane is far too old to be the Jane who was the daughter of John BAIRD and Helen WATSON.  She was baptised in 1820 so would have been around 51 in 1871, not 63.  The 1871 Jane married in 1833.  The Dalfield Walk family in Dundee are not the right ones.

Yes, that is exactly why I ask Glynn65 if they are looking at the right person, and why I asked about the birth  of John in 1784 in Ayr.
Basic facts need to be clarified.

[Dundee]

unsure where Helen Died, but Helen was born in Dundee on 26 Jan 1790

I cannot see a baptism with that birth date in Dundee, only one is in Renfrewshire with parents Thomas WATSON and Isabel FROW.

If John and Helen died before registration started in 1855 then you may not find any records.  Burial records are few and far between in Scotland.

In 1841 John Jnr. was a jeweller's apprentice.  I think he married Christian/Christina MITCHELL in St Cuthbert's in 1843.  They can be followed through the census records to 1891 in Perth and John died in 1893.
   
JOHN BAIRD
Aged 72
Mother's maiden surname: WATSON
1893
387 / 591
Perth

Debra 

[Glynn65]

Hi Neale, apologies for the late reply, I was nowhere near my pc, here is the baptism of John Baird in Ayr: John Name John Baird Sex Male
Christening Date 22 Aug 1784
Christening Place Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland.
Christening Place (Original) Ayr, Ayr, Scotland.
Birth Date 15 Aug 1784
Father's Name William Baird Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name   Mary Gibson Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
John is my 5 gg.

[Neale1961]

I acknowledge that there is a baptism for a John Baird in Ayr in 1784, but I see no proof that he is the same John Baird who married Helen Watson in Glasgow, and appears in the Midlothian census of 1841 as born about 1795.
If you do not find him in the 1851 census, he died before then. Therefore you don't know where he was born or his birth year.
Hence my question "What is your reason for thinking he was born in Ayr in 1784?"

[Glynn65]

Yes, I've been looking at the 1851 and 1861 Census and agree The Dalfield Walk family in Dundee are not the right ones. Thanks for the correction, Dundee and Neale.
I also have John Baird married Helen Watson in my records in 1817 in Glasgow, Thanks for pointing that out too Neale, I'm now wondering if I've been on the wrong track again, John Baird and Helen Watson have been the hardest people for me to track down, so far.