James Robertson Ross - 1878 birth to Margaret Ross and John Crombie?

[tapi]

It looks like Minmore house is now a hotel so I think we will plan to spend a night there when we visit!

It was a hotel until 2009, but, as the description on the photograph says, it no longer is.

Ah that’s too bad - there is an active website but that must just be old. Thanks for the information!

[Forfarian]

Looks as if they have reinvented it as Glenlivet Cottages http://www.glenlivetcottages.co.uk/

[Neale1961]

Yes, I do have to correct my mistake.
Your Margaret Ross WAS the daughter of Lewis ROSS and Jane EWEN
She was born 16 Oct 1839 in Kincardine O’Neil

What had me confused, and why I had dismissed her, was her death certificate, details as follows:-

21st April 1904 Hillhead, Seaton, Old Aberdeen
Margaret Ross (housekeeper, single), age 53 years.
Father – Lewis Ross, crofter, deceased
Mother – Jeanie Ross, maiden name Ewen, deceased
Informant present at death – Elizabeth Cruikshank, daughter, Leadside Rd Aberdeen

Margaret’s age is out by over 10 years, & I did not know about her daughter Elizabeth.
Elizabeth does not appear in the census with her mother at any stage, because she was adopted out to the Grant family in Newmachar. Obviously ELizabeth still had contact with her biological mother.


Elizabeth ROSS (illegitimate) was born 17 July 1876 at Cothal Mill, Fintray.
Mother was Margaret Ross, domestic servant.

1881 census, Mossside cottage, Newmachar
Robert Grant, 35, Agricultural labourer, born Clatt
Jean Grant, 29, wife born Auchterless
Elizabeth Ross, 3, adopted child born Fintray

1891 census, Mossside, Newmachar
Robert Grant, 46, ground officer, born Clatt Aberdeen
Jane Grant, 7, daughter born New Marchar
Elizabeth Ross, 14, domestic servant, born Fintray

In 1901 census Banchory Ternan, Kincardineshire
Elizabeth Ross 22 servant born in Fintray is working for the Donald family. She has with her a 1 yr old child, Georgina E.N. Ross born Aberdeen. (That child died in 1902.)


Elizabeth ROSS (domestic servant) married 31 Dec 1903 in Aberdeen to Gilbert CRUICKSHANK (railway carter).
Her parents are named Margaret ROSS (domestic servant), father __________

Looks like there were 3 children born to this marriage:
 - William 1904,
 - Susan Anabella 1906,
 - Elizabeth 1907- died 15 months.


Elizabeth CRUICKSHANK ROSS death, age 32, in 1909 in Newhills.


I assume James Robertson ROSS must have known Elizabeth, his ˝ sister?

[Neale1961]

I also confirmed through the 1881 census that Margaret Robertson Ross that I previously mention is NOT “your” Margaret.

These are the census records that I can see for your Margaret Ross:-

1841 Kincardine O’Neil
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a13fe9df4040b9d6ee23747/lewis-ross-1841-aberdeenshire-kincardine-o-neil-1806-?locale=en

1851 Kincardine O’Neil
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5902660ce9379091b1c75679/lewis-ross-1851-aberdeenshire-kincardine-o-neil-1807-?locale=en

1861 Kincardine O’Neil (for Jane Ross)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5902695ae9379091b1d4e0dd/helen-ross-1861-aberdeenshire-kincardine-o-neil-1849-?locale=en

1861 Aboyne (for Lewis Ross, away from the family home for work)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/590268b0e9379091b1d22504/lewis-ross-1861-aberdeenshire-aboyne-glentanner-1810-?locale=en

1861 Coull (This seems the most likely for Margaret Ross)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/590268e7e9379091b1d3089d/margaret-ross-1861-aberdeenshire-coull-1838-?locale=en


1871 Kincardine O’Neil (for Margaret Ross)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59026cdce9379091b1e3713e/margret-ross-1871-aberdeenshire-kincardine-o-neil-1840-?locale=en

1881 Foveran (for Margaret Ross and son James) note her age is now 10 years off.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/image-viewer/census_lds/census_lds-a6f46724-e5ef-4efe-a8fc-96f81ee4f513?search_token=1616909097663c029ed8e64

[Neale1961]

Jane EWEN and Lewis ROSS married in Aboyne on 22 June 1833

Margaret Ross’ father, Lewis ROSS died (age 63) on 4th Aug 1866 in Kincardine O’Neil.
His death certificate will name his parents . His mother was a Sinclair.
There is a likely baptism for Lewis Ross 27 April 1806 in Midmar, with parents John Ross and Margaret Sinclar.
John Ross and Margaret Sinclair married in Midmar in 1801.


Margaret Ross’ mother, Jane (EWEN) ROSS died (age 56) on 6 March 1869 in Kincardine O’Neil
Her death certificate will name her parents . Her mother was a Ritchie.
I can’t see a baptism for her, but I think her parents may have been George EWEN and Jane RITCHIE


1841 census for George and Jane EWEN
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a13fbd2f4040b9d6edf04dc/george-ewan-1841-aberdeenshire-aboyne-glentanner-1776-?locale=en


1861 census for Jane EWEN
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/590268b0e9379091b1d22417/jane-ewan-1861-aberdeenshire-aboyne-glentanner-1782-?locale=en


Jane (RITCHIE) EWEN died (age 88) in 1870 in Glenmuick. No mother’s maiden name showing on the index, but death certificate may give you some information about the father.
Her father may have been Archibald Ritchie who is on 1841 census. You need to look at death certificate for verification.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a13fe04f4040b9d6ee1926f/archibald-ritchie-1841-aberdeenshire-glenmuick-tullich-1756-?locale=en

[tapi]

Yes, I do have to correct my mistake.
Your Margaret Ross WAS the daughter of Lewis ROSS and Jane EWEN
She was born 16 Oct 1839 in Kincardine O’Neil

What had me confused, and why I had dismissed her, was her death certificate, details as follows:-

21st April 1904 Hillhead, Seaton, Old Aberdeen
Margaret Ross (housekeeper, single), age 53 years.
Father – Lewis Ross, crofter, deceased
Mother – Jeanie Ross, maiden name Ewen, deceased
Informant present at death – Elizabeth Cruikshank, daughter, Leadside Rd Aberdeen

Margaret’s age is out by over 10 years, & I did not know about her daughter Elizabeth.
Elizabeth does not appear in the census with her mother at any stage, because she was adopted out to the Grant family in Newmachar. Obviously ELizabeth still had contact with her biological mother.


Elizabeth ROSS (illegitimate) was born 17 July 1876 at Cothal Mill, Fintray.
Mother was Margaret Ross, domestic servant.

1881 census, Mossside cottage, Newmachar
Robert Grant, 35, Agricultural labourer, born Clatt
Jean Grant, 29, wife born Auchterless
Elizabeth Ross, 3, adopted child born Fintray

1891 census, Mossside, Newmachar
Robert Grant, 46, ground officer, born Clatt Aberdeen
Jane Grant, 7, daughter born New Marchar
Elizabeth Ross, 14, domestic servant, born Fintray

In 1901 census Banchory Ternan, Kincardineshire
Elizabeth Ross 22 servant born in Fintray is working for the Donald family. She has with her a 1 yr old child, Georgina E.N. Ross born Aberdeen. (That child died in 1902.)


Elizabeth ROSS (domestic servant) married 31 Dec 1903 in Aberdeen to Gilbert CRUICKSHANK (railway carter).
Her parents are named Margaret ROSS (domestic servant), father __________

Looks like there were 3 children born to this marriage:
 - William 1904,
 - Susan Anabella 1906,
 - Elizabeth 1907- died 15 months.


Elizabeth CRUICKSHANK ROSS death, age 32, in 1909 in Newhills.


I assume James Robertson ROSS must have known Elizabeth, his ˝ sister?

That is AMAZING! I definitely didn’t know about the half sister so I’m not sure if that was open family information.  Very cool to add that to the storyline!

I really appreciate what you’ve done for us. Thank you this is just the colour and clarity we had been hoping for.