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Re: Year of Birth but no record.
« Reply #63 on: Monday 20 May 24 23:22 BST (UK) »
No wait a minute, Peter and Leo are two different people.
If Peter married Ethel in 1944 and Leo married Emily Gertrude Hatton in 1943, i do have a copy of their marriage certificate, but it won't let me upload it, says its too large. ::) ;D

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Re: Year of Birth but no record.
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 05:42 BST (UK) »
Wicklow People, 22 July 1944: MARRIAGES – St. Teilo’s Church, Whitechurch, Cardiff with Nuptial Mass, by Fr. B. Driscoll, Peter, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs.O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, Co. Wicklow, to Ethel, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _ Morrisey, St. Luke’s. Cork.

Yes that’s the one I posted.
Poor Ethel died the following year.

Is there a death certificate for Ethel, what month did she die, what did she die of?
Is there a death cert for Peter as well, i can't find one.
No baptisim cert either, well none that i could find anyway.

Still have to ask, but Peter and Leo could be the same person.  If his wife died the year after they were married, if could explain how and why he ended up on Lambay Island, possibly grief stricken.

It seems that the marriage certificate would help. You can’t put a name in on GRO site search for marriage, if that is what you are trying to do. That is why I gave a list of instructions. There might be an easier way but I coukdn’t find it. However, those instructions should help.

Here is the death. You can just put her name in though, as the site shows births and deaths. There is then a facility to order. It is more straightforward.

Death March quarter 1945, Cardiff volume 11a pg 382
Ethel O'Brien 27 yrs

You can order a copy through GRO site previously linked.
N.B. If ‘O’Brien’ does not give you a result, click on ‘Phonetically similar variations’ on the right. The apostrophe sometimes interferes    ;)
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Re: Year of Birth but no record.
« Reply #65 on: Thursday 23 May 24 20:07 BST (UK) »
Wicklow People, 22 July 1944: MARRIAGES – St. Teilo’s Church, Whitechurch, Cardiff with Nuptial Mass, by Fr. B. Driscoll, Peter, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs.O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, Co. Wicklow, to Ethel, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _ Morrisey, St. Luke’s. Cork.

Yes that’s the one I posted.
Poor Ethel died the following year.

Is there a death certificate for Ethel, what month did she die, what did she die of?
Is there a death cert for Peter as well, i can't find one.
No baptisim cert either, well none that i could find anyway.

Still have to ask, but Peter and Leo could be the same person.  If his wife died the year after they were married, if could explain how and why he ended up on Lambay Island, possibly grief stricken.

It seems that the marriage certificate would help. You can’t put a name in on GRO site search for marriage, if that is what you are trying to do. That is why I gave a list of instructions. There might be an easier way but I coukdn’t find it. However, those instructions should help.

Here is the death. You can just put her name in though, as the site shows births and deaths. There is then a facility to order. It is more straightforward.

Death March quarter 1945, Cardiff volume 11a pg 382
Ethel O'Brien 27 yrs

You can order a copy through GRO site previously linked.
N.B. If ‘O’Brien’ does not give you a result, click on ‘Phonetically similar variations’ on the right. The apostrophe sometimes interferes    ;)

Thank you.

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Re: Year of Birth but no record.
« Reply #66 on: Thursday 23 May 24 20:16 BST (UK) »
Looking for Andrew Brien's parentage, born 1830 died 1910. 
His Father William O Brien 1796-1878.
His Mother, two possible people, i haven't been able to locate a birth certificate for him.
1. Eliza Doyle
2. Eliza McGrath 1808-1851

His siblings:
Sarah Brien 1833-1917
Mary Ann Bryan 1845-1913
Ruth Bryan 1849-1927

He was married twice, first to a Mary Neill 1826-1865.  They had one daughter, Margaret Brien 1864, haven't found any more kids yet with that wife.

Second wife, Elizabeth Russell 1850-1900.  Children; Patrick O Brien 1869, Eliza Brien 1871-1956, Thomas O Brien 1873-1957.

Thank you in advance.


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Re: Year of Birth but no record.
« Reply #67 on: Thursday 23 May 24 21:06 BST (UK) »
Looking for Andrew Brien's parentage, born 1830 died 1910. 
His Father William O Brien 1796-1878.
His Mother, two possible people, i haven't been able to locate a birth certificate for him.


Of course you haven't. He was born long before birth registration.

And you made no mention of where he was from.
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Re: Year of Birth but no record.
« Reply #68 on: Thursday 23 May 24 21:48 BST (UK) »
The church record of Andrew's second marriage gives his mother as Eliza Doyle-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:62MW-FP4P
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0464
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« Reply #69 on: Saturday 25 May 24 12:41 BST (UK) »

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Re: Year of Birth but no record.
« Reply #70 on: Saturday 25 May 24 12:52 BST (UK) »
Looking for Andrew Brien's parentage, born 1830 died 1910. 
His Father William O Brien 1796-1878.
His Mother, two possible people, i haven't been able to locate a birth certificate for him.


Of course you haven't. He was born long before birth registration.

And you made no mention of where he was from.

Well Thomas O Brien is from Wicklow, Coolinakily Glenealy.
But I'm not sure if his father William was born there or not, because there seems to be an English connection when you go further back. 
Now i did get two names from another members family tree for Williams parents, they had Williams parents in as Saml Brien and Mary Deasy.  But i don't know how acurate that information is, or if they are Irish or English.

I was really just looking for Andrews Mother, because there was two different names i found in other family members trees and i just wanted to know which one was the legit one.