Year of Birth but no record.

[scarlett0017]

Just for comparison of signatures for the Leo who was a witness to the marriage of Patrick Joseph and then seven years later, Leo's signature on the marriage register for his wedding.

The same or totally different?

yes its a Possiblity that it could be him, a 13 year olds writing would probably be a bit wobbly and child like, unsure whether some peoples writing improves with age or not
But his certainly looks like it did.

[scarlett0017]

Posted for the wrong Anthony. Sorry  Let me find the other Anthony's entry and will add.

In the meantime, this Leo who shows as witness was obviously the family's official witness at marriages  He also shows as witness to the marriage of daughter Mary Ann O'Brien https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1942/08800/5181285.pdf

Monica

ADDED: The correct link for Anthony's marriage in 1936 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08925/5228309.pdf

Thanks for pointing out my slip up, aghadowey 

  Designated witness, must have looked good in a suit.

[scarlett0017]

Okay this may take a bit of explaining...

Thomas O'Brien/Brien and Bridget had the following children in 1901- William, Elizabeth, Michael, John.
In 1911 they had 8 children (Bridget mother of 8 children, all living)- which adds Katherine, Thomas, Patrick, Anthony. Three more children born after census- James, Mary Ann, Peter.

William married 1920, Michael witness at Leo's wedding, John married 1922?, Patrick married 1936, Anthony married 1936, James married 1937.
None of them can be Leo which leaves Thomas and Peter.
Now, Thomas's birth registered as Thomas Joseph so I think 'Leo' could be Peter using a middle name not on registration and he dropped name Peter.

Here's Peter birth (1919)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01241/1516112.pdf
If this is Leo then he would have been about 3 years younger than Emily but still a possibility.

The only way to solve this mystery might be church register showing baptism of a Leo or boy with middle name of Leo but too recent to be online.

I'll ask a member of my family again and get back with the big reveal, they remember him living on Lambay Island.

[scarlett0017]

Wicklow People, 22 July 1944: MARRIAGES – St. Teilo’s Church, Whitechurch, Cardiff with Nuptial Mass, by Fr. B. Driscoll, Peter, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs.O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, Co. Wicklow, to Ethel, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _ Morrisey, St. Luke’s. Cork.

Can you see those Certificates online, if they are from England.  I have a few British Certificates to look up, but i don't know the best place to go.
A good few of them did go to England to settle down and have families, most of them are still living there.

[heywood]

They married in Wales and if I recall returned to Ireland.
There might be an easier way to order than this but this is what I have discovered and hope it helps.
FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ shows the marriage indexes

June quarter 1944 E.Glamorgan volume 11a page 46
Peter O’Brien and Ethel Morrissey

Then go to GRO  https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Order certificates online
Register or Log in
**on the right hand side you see ‘Marriage & Civil Partnership
Then
Order a marriage certificate - I hope this works
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t6h/


If there is a better way, hopefully someone will tell us.

[scarlett0017]

Wicklow People, 14 Sept.1946: O’Brien- The husband and family of Brigid O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, wish to return their sincere that’s to all those who sympathised with them in their …

There is also an announcement , February 1957 re Thomas O’Brien.
That would be this death, 82 yrs of Glenealy.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04402/4146211.pdf

Have you got a link for that announcement.

[scarlett0017]

They married in Wales and if I recall returned to Ireland.
There might be an easier way to order than this but this is what I have discovered and hope it helps.
FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ shows the marriage indexes

June quarter 1944 E.Glamorgan volume 11a page 46
Peter O’Brien and Ethel Morrissey

Then go to GRO  https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Order certificates online
Register or Log in
**on the right hand side you see ‘Marriage & Civil Partnership
Then
Order a marriage certificate - I hope this works
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t6h/


If there is a better way, hopefully someone will tell us.

I find that site very confusing to be honest, i can't find anything

[scarlett0017]

Wicklow People, 22 July 1944: MARRIAGES – St. Teilo’s Church, Whitechurch, Cardiff with Nuptial Mass, by Fr. B. Driscoll, Peter, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs.O’Brien, Coolnakilly, Glenealy, Co. Wicklow, to Ethel, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. _ Morrisey, St. Luke’s. Cork.

Yes that’s the one I posted.
Poor Ethel died the following year.

Is there a death certificate for Ethel, what month did she die, what did she die of?
Is there a death cert for Peter as well, i can't find one.
No baptisim cert either, well none that i could find anyway.

Still have to ask, but Peter and Leo could be the same person.  If his wife died the year after they were married, if could explain how and why he ended up on Lambay Island, possibly grief stricken.

[scarlett0017]

No wait a minute, Peter and Leo are two different people.
If Peter married Ethel in 1944 and Leo married Emily Gertrude Hatton in 1943, i do have a copy of their marriage certificate, but it won't let me upload it, says its too large.