Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester

[AlanBoyd]

A few thoughts on Hannah Sutcliffe, named on the document. Is this her I wonder?

There is a Hannah Sutcliffe living in Preston Street in 1851 (at No.26), 1861 (at No.24) and 1871 (at No.24). She is the umarried head of household and is respectively: mangle woman, shopkeeper, shopkeeper. Her age is consistent with a year of birth 1804, and there is a baptism that fits in Rochdale in 1805. She seems to have died in 1873.

Where did she live? Looking at the directory linked in reply #6, No.22 is just before (to the N) of Clopton Street. Then in the next block are Nos.30, 32, and 34 before City Place. So where are the numbers between 22 and 30? Some of them appear in censuses up to 1871 but I cannot find them in 1881 or 1891. There is an interesting looking building on the southerly corner of the Preston Street/Clopton Street junction. Could this be the site of Hannah Sutcliffe's abodes, and of the Royal Livery Stables after 1871?

[MollyC]

Here is a livery stables and a vet at 150 Clopton Street in 1895.  Premises let perhaps?

https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/152904/rec/9

[MollyC]

In an 1875 directory Clopton Street ends at no 148, and Preston Street has erratic numbering there, or a misprint: 20,22,23,16,30,32,34.

However there seems to be a gap where the stables were, or not yet built.

https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/258686/rec/6

[MollyC]

1886, 150 Clopton Street: Jones, Alfred Jas. Veterinary Surgeon.

https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/151377/rec/4

Preston Street: gap between 22 and 30.

https://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p16445coll4/id/151517/rec/4

[AlanBoyd]

More evidence that the building on the corner of Clopton Street and Preston Street is the Royal Livery Stables, and a link to Samuel Skaife Grange.

From the same Directory (1895) as linked in reply #6, but looking at Clopton Street [navigate to p495 to find this]:
Clopton Street, City Road to Preston Street, Hulme, Right hand side.
the last two addresses listed are both No. 150, and they are
Reginald W Johnstone, livery stable keeper
EH Stent MRCVS, veterinary surgeon

Greater Manchester Rate Books 1893
150 Clopton Street
occupiers: Reginald Wood Johnstone and Ernest Howard Stent
owner S. S Grange's Ex's [Executors]
Description: mews

Shorter Oxford Dictionary
mews noun,
"Orig., the royal stables at Charing Cross in London, built on the former site of the royal hawk mews. Later gen., any set of stable buildings grouped round an open yard or alley. Treated as sing. or pl. LME."

In the 1894-95 Electoral Register the listing for the joint owners of 150 Clopston Street is:
Reginald Wood Johnstone, 6 Wilberforce Terrace
Ernest Howard Stent, 556 Chester Road, Stretford

snap MollyC!

[MollyC]

This is the largest map scale, 1:500 surveyed 1889.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t5i/

Added: For comparison, this is the 1:1056 scale of 1848.  It shows the original premises fronting Preston Street appear to be two houses/shops.  Is this where Hannah Sutcliffe lived?  The Grand Junction was not yet built.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t5j/

[hanes teulu]

Manchester Courier, 13 Nov 1847

[AlanBoyd]

16 April 1890: Manchester Evening News

[MollyC]

There is a discrepancy between the Grand Junction Inn being there in Nov 1847, (#15) but not on the map in 1848 (#14).  The six-inch map created at the same time was surveyed 1845, published Nov. 1848.  That shows Upper Jackson Street finishing in a pond(!) before it could quite reach the junction.  Warde Street was not fully laid out as far as the junction.  Clearly this was a developing suburb and things were altering quickly.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t5k/