Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880

[Cas (stallc)]

I think with the clues that Lucy gave, the father of James is possibly James Shufflebotham. There is one or more of the same name in the regiment you mention. Although being able to verify it would be difficult.

Just my thoughts

Cas

[lynellen]

Thank you Cas. The simplest explanation is usually the best one. I was just thinking Lucy made up the name Shufflebotham.....
I'm guess that if James was really in the regiment, and I see no reason for her to have invented that, then he must have been close to Tunbridge in 1914 as that's where Lucy was living with her Mother.
It's another avanue to explore.....

[softly softly]

As Cas has mentioned there are several James Shufflebotham's with military records. One in particular stands out for me. Service number 706028--Driver- Royal Field Artillery. If you have a sub for Findmypast 3 records are shown. The link below also has a picture of him. Also his full military record is available from the National Archives at a cost of £3.50--link attached--this may hold some usefuldetails.

SS

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FLIVES%2F4025134

(Click on view original record)

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5148943

[LizzieL]

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FLIVES%2F4025134

(Click on view original record)

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5148943

The FindMyPast link is to a photo of him!
Is there a photo of Jimmie to compare?

[LizzieL]

The National Archive link is free if you sign in for free account

[lynellen]

Thank you again for all the help and links. James Webb (Jimmie's) birth certificate states;

Father James Webb (so we believe really James Shufflebotham)
Private
South Lancashire Regiment
Motor car driver

Just found this;
1/4th Battalion Territorial Force


04.08.1914 Stationed at Warrington, Cheshire as part of the South Lancs. Brigade of the West Lancs. Division.

13.08.1914 Moved to Dunfermline and then Tunbridge Wells.

Feb 1915 Mobilised for war leaving the Division and landing at Havre.

Jimmie's Mother Lucy Mary was living with her mother Alice in Tunbridge Wells. Jimmie was born July 1915, so was conceived around October 1914. It fits!

Just need to find James Shufflebotham in that battalion of the South Lancs Reg.

Golly I could never have found any of this without all your help

[softly softly]

A possible fit.


https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FICRC%2FC_G1_E_04_01_0089%2F0027&parentid=GBM%2FICRC%2FR%2F296561

SS

If the above record is a possible then these are the details of this James. Born Skelmersdale

SHUFFLEBOTHAM, JAMES       DALEY 
GRO Reference: 1895  D Quarter in ORMSKIRK  Volume 08B  Page 838

Skelmersdale comes under Ormskirk Reg District

Appears with parents Thomas and Mary Jane on 1901/11 census and in 1921 census as a private in the Army. On all 3 census born Skelmersdale.

SS

added, the address on the FindMyPast record of 72 Gartons Lane is the home of his father Thomas in 1921

[lynellen]

SS, Yes that could be him, but I've now found two others.......
The one you have found was a POW, taken at Epsny 30.11.1917. rank PTE no. 141682 B Comp. South Lancs. Born 7 Oct 1895 Skelmersdale
Could very well be him.
Also could be;
James Shufflebotham, soldier no. 70201 5th S.Lancs, service no 4138
James Shufflebotham, soldier no. 241683, 5th, b.comp S.Lancs. POW 30.11.1917 born Skerber (?) Lancs. home address Clock Fall, Skerber, Lancs.
I'm not sure if the POW's are one in the same chap, or just coincidence that both in same regiment and both taken POW on same day in same battle.

[softly softly]

Believe  141682 & 241683 are the same man