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Re: Criminal records
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 20 April 24 22:10 BST (UK) »
id seen the description of Alice + crimes of larceny + felony but not what shed stolen or who the crimes were against .

like ashton I too wondered if the couple had moved away from chatham kent to escape disgrace .

i wonder what brought "george daniel mansfield " to west derby lancashire + why the couple chose to have baby in Ireland .

he's a real mystery.


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« Reply #19 on: Sunday 21 April 24 00:27 BST (UK) »
Young Alice was aptly named (Barrow). She gave Bonnie & Clyde (Barrow) a run for their money!

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Re: Criminal records
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 21 April 24 00:34 BST (UK) »
Blimey! Alice was on a roll in 1880. She certainly worked all the angles!

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Re: Criminal records
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 21 April 24 12:56 BST (UK) »
Thank you for pm
I can now access the free newspapers
View which are on FindMyPast

& Now understand the note on criminal record about 14 days & 5 years

Alice  was remanded in prison for 14 days before being sent to reformatory
School

She committed the crime in August of stealing opera glasses and other articles 1880
 according to another newspaper her accomplice was Edward George JONES who was sentenced to hard labour

The fact that she ran away from Liverpool to London & Chatham
Suggests she may still have had relatives there

 
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Re: Criminal records
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 21 April 24 13:31 BST (UK) »
Yes, Edward George Jones in 1880. I didn’t see he was bracketed with Alice Barrow - sorry.
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Re: Criminal records
« Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 16:26 »
Could it be the Saint Giles Christian Mission (SGCM)?

"In 1877, what was known as Prison Gate work was started. The Mission set up huts outside Holloway, Pentonville and Wandsworth Prisons where newly discharged prisoners were offered breakfast and assistance often in the form of travel money to get home, clothing, and assistance with employment, as well as encouragement to take the temperance pledge.

Work among first time offenders continued with the opening of a series of hostels and homes between 1880's and 1900. These catered for young offenders who were encouraged and supported to find work or enter the armed services".

Hi Ashtone - that answers one of my questions before I asked it! Edward Vine was discharged to SGCM London on 6 July 1892. The only odd thing is that he was serving his sentence in Portsmouth, not one of the London prisons. But the family's roots were in Shoreditch, so it makes sense that he was returned to London on release.

But another question - his brother Harry (recorded as Henry) Vine was discharged from Cold Bath Fields Prison on 23 Jan 1881 to 40 Ely Place, Hoxton. There seems to be no such address today, and I haven't found any family connection with that address. Was it perhaps the address of a police station or a charity like SGCM?
Henley (Brighton 1820+, Bedfordshire pre-1810),  Vine, Button, Bradford, Bodle (Sussex), Willey (Sheffield, London), Nattriss (London), Wood, Jones, Blaker, Shrimpton (London), Dalby (London, Cornwall 1800+, E.Yorkshire pre-1810), Hillmann, von Thun (London and Hannover)

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« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 20:12 »
1881 census 40 Ely Place, Shoreditch (likely to be same address I would have thought?)

William HUNLOCK age 60 silk weaver. Widower
George 33 unm. Embossed on glass
Richard 22 unm, silk weaver

Here is the street anyway. https://maps.nls.uk/view/101201505#zoom=4.5&lat=9912&lon=14286&layers=BT

https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/25687799.lost-east-end-street-now-busy-hospital/

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« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 21:26 »
That makes a lot of sense, mckha! I just checked the census records. Their sister-in-law was Elizabeth Hurlock (not Hunlock). Harry and Edward's brother William and she lived just a few doors away at No. 35 Ely Place in 1881. Should have thought of this myself. It's a family of contrasts. William lived a relatively normal law-abiding life as a firewood dealer, with four children. His wife Elizabeth died in 1882, but he quickly re-married. Another brother had a stellar musical career as an army-trained bandmaster including 3 years for the Royal Navy and 10 years at Harrow School.
Henley (Brighton 1820+, Bedfordshire pre-1810),  Vine, Button, Bradford, Bodle (Sussex), Willey (Sheffield, London), Nattriss (London), Wood, Jones, Blaker, Shrimpton (London), Dalby (London, Cornwall 1800+, E.Yorkshire pre-1810), Hillmann, von Thun (London and Hannover)