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No death certificate GRO or local archives!
« on: Monday 08 April 24 21:01 BST (UK) »
Hi. I have a problem - an ancestor who has a Probate record giving the address and date of his death, but no sign of any death certificate. I have searched GRO, including for different years and misspelling of the surname. I have tried the local archives - they cannot find the death record at all.
I have tried to find coroners' archives, without success (in case he died suddenly). I have not found any burial record either (non-conformist Christian family in Clapton).

Does anyone have any ideas about what might have happened? 
Could there have been a Probate Grant of Administration without a death certificate?
I am absolutely flummoxed.

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Re: No death certificate GRO or local archives!
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 April 24 21:06 BST (UK) »
Could you share the details.
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Re: No death certificate GRO or local archives!
« Reply #2 on: Monday 08 April 24 21:16 BST (UK) »
Did he die in England or abroad?

What was his date of death
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Re: No death certificate GRO or local archives!
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 April 24 21:50 BST (UK) »
Joseph Hooper. Born 11 March 1800, The Hamlet, Ratcliff, Stepney, Middlesex. Occ: Clerk, Bank of England.  Probate - Letters of Administration Name   Joseph Hooper
Death Date   11 Jan 1858   Death Place   Middlesex, England
Probate Date   4 Feb 1858   Probate Registry   Principal Registry
'.... late of Alpha Villa, London Road, Clapton in the County of Middlesex   Clerk in the Bank of England  deceased who died 11 January 1858 at Alpha Villa aforesaid were Granted at the Principle Registry to Harriet Hooper of Alpha Villa aforesaid Widow the Relict of the said deceased she having been first sworn. 
A note next to the entry, in handwriting, says that 'Admin of Goods unadministered passed Principle Registry March 1880'.
Another entry for 31st March 1880 - the widow Harriet Hooper having left it unadministered. This time Admin is granted to his son William Henry Hooper, Clerk in the Bank of England, of East Avenue Walthamstow Essex, the son and one of the Next of Kin.  I.e. 22 years later.
This gives the same death date and location - Alpha Villa, on 11 January 1858.



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Re: No death certificate GRO or local archives!
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 April 24 22:03 BST (UK) »
Could be the death for Joseph Hooker aged 57 March qtr 1858 Hackney 1b 236
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« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 April 24 22:22 BST (UK) »
HOOPER, JOSEPH    56  GRO Reference: 1858  M Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX  Volume 01B  
GRO Index. Hooper.

Ancestry.
NameJoseph Hooper
Registration QuarterJan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration PlaceSt Luke, London, United Kingdom
Death Date Mar 1858
Inferred Death PlaceLondon, United Kingdom
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Re: No death certificate GRO or local archives!
« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 April 24 22:25 BST (UK) »
Could be the death for Joseph Hooker aged 57 March qtr 1858 Hackney 1b 236

That looks good, Carole.

Abney Park Cemetery Index has a burial of a Joseph Hooper, 16 January 1858. Age 57
https://www.devsys.co.uk/ap/Show_Grave.asp?GraveID=019776&Person=019806

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 April 24 22:32 BST (UK) »
Well that's 4 records found. 🙂
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Re: No death certificate GRO or local archives!
« Reply #8 on: Monday 08 April 24 22:42 BST (UK) »
He was living in the Hackney RD in both 1841 & 1851
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