BURTON John of Oakham Rutland

[tamarclaire]

I wonder if this is William Burton, Bartin and Mary's son, bap 1736

Lincolnshire Chronicle, 9 Feb 1838
Deaths
On the 1st inst, at Bristol, W Bartin Burton, Esq, formerly of Burley, in the County of Rutland, and a Captain in the army, age 73

Baptism (FindMyPast transcript)
4 Sep 1763, Wm son of Mr Wm and Maria Burton, Oakham
However, the "original" (a manuscript transcript) reads -
4 Sep 1763, Wm Bartin son of Mr Wm and Maria Burton.

A William Burton married an Anna Maria Brown, 21 Jan 1762, both of Oakham.

Anna Maria Burton, wife of William Burton, buried 16 Feb 1891, age 51, Burley.

"Mr" is synonymous with "Gent" 

Although there is a very slight discrepancy in age, Captain William Bartin Burton formerly of Burly in Rutland who died in 1838 does appear to be the William Bartin Burton baptised at Oakham on 4 September 1763, the son of Mr William and Anna Maria Burton and the grandson of Rev. Bartin Burton.  William Burton (Bartin's son) was baptised 10 Dec 1736 at Oakham and married Anna Maria Brown on 21 Jan 1762 at Oakham.

[tamarclaire]

There are no further details about the apprentice record, unfortunately, but its just an index from a CD compiled by the Family History Society from records held at Leicester Archives, so there may be more information on the original document.

The accompanying notes say:

"Parish Poor Law Index 1598 – 1940s

This is a copy of the original index produced in 2003 on the first Poor Law CD and covers all the Poor Law cases found on the 20,000 Index Cards in the ROLLR*.   The information has been extracted from records found in the Parish Chests of the individual parishes".

*Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland

Thank you very much for the details describing the contents of the CD.  I will maybe contact the Leicestershire Record Office to see if they have more information about William Burton's apprentice record.

[ColC]

I do not believe that this is the correct William.

1871 Asylum St. West Leicester
BURTON   William   Head   W   88 (1783)   Dyer   Rutland   Oakham      
BURTON   Sarah   Dau   U   50   Chairwoman   Leicestershire   Leicester   Df&dmb   
BURTON   Mary   Dau   U   47   Trimmer & Dyer   Leicestershire   Leicester      

1861 - Ruding Street, West Leicester.
BURTON   William   Head   M   74   Trimmer   Rutland   -      
BURTON   Alice   Wife   M   72   House Wife   Rutland   -      
BURTON   Sarah Dau   U   37Shirt Maker Leicestershire Leicester   
D & D   
BURTON   Mary   Dau   U   34   Spinner   Leicestershire   Leicester      
BURTON   Thomas   Son   M   30   Machinist   Leicestershire   Leicester      
BURTON   Elizabeth   Sonwif   M   28   Dress Maker   Leicestershire   Ansty      
BURTON   Alice   Grndau   U   9   Scholar   Leicestershire   Leicester      
BURTON   John Thomas   Grnson   U   7   Scholar   Leicestershire   Leicester      

Colin

Hello Colin,

Thanks very much for your reply. I'm a bit confused. Please can you explain why you don't believe that this is the correct William.  Do you mean the William on the 1871 census, William on the 1861 census or both? 

You have highlighted Sarah Burton.  Sarah was baptised 22/7/1821 at St Mary de Castro in Leicester and was deaf and dumb from birth.  I think her occupation on the 1871 census should have been 'charwoman' and not 'chairwoman'. On the 1881 census she is age 60 and living with her niece and family.  She was buried in Welford Road Cemetery 1886 aged 64 on 13 February 1886.

You mentioned in your original post that you had seen the 1871 census and William was 88, so I guess the 1871 above but that William was a Dyer.
In 1861 the other William, the Blacksmith was with his granddaughters Eliz 15 & Sarah 14, she had no disabilities noted and the other Sarah was much older.

In 1861 William the Dyer, now Trimmer, both occupations in the Clothing Industry was with his wife Alice and family, including the D&Dumb Sarah (Apologies for the term of disability). Note the emboldened type. Sarah's occupation is clearly written as chairwoman but as you say a bit unlikely.

This is the William who died in the last quarter of 1871 age 89.

 BURTON, WILLIAM       89 
GRO Reference: 1871  D Quarter in LEICESTER  Volume 07A  Page 144

Regards

Colin

[ColC]

The marriage records below are on family search, the baptisms on Ancestry, none on reereg.

William Burton   Marriage  30 May 1803 Oakham, Rutland   Spouse Mary Ainsby
OR
William Burton   Marriage  13 December 1808 Oakham, Rutland   Spouse Mary Taylor
 
Transcripts Elizabeth 7 May 1804, John 30 Nov 1809

William, a Blacksmith & Mary baptism Oakham. Ancestry
OPRs Mary 15 Apr 1814, Jane 23 Mar 1817, Elizabeth 25 Jan 1820, William 25 Aug 1822

William Burton   Marriage  19 June 1808 Whissendine, Rutland Spouse Elizabeth Snodin.

"WHISSENDINE, a parish in the hundred of ALSTOE, county of RUTLAND, 4 miles (N.W. by N.) from Oakham. Children (Transcripts)  Sarah 25 Mar 1809, John 19 Jul 1812

William Burton   Marriage  7 November 1809 Oakham, Rutland   Spouse Alice Hill

Colin

[ColC]

Just for the record I agree with the comments made by hanes teulu & Jamot.

Regards Colin

[tamarclaire]

Just for the record I agree with the comments made by hanes teulu & Jamot.

Regards Colin

Thanks very much Colin.  It's really helpful to have three other people coming to the same conclusion.

Thank you too for the other  information you posted.  The marriage of William Burton to Alice Hill on 7 November 1809 at Oakham ties in with the records which I have and he is the same William whose death is registered in the Dec Quarter 1871 in Leicester aged 89.

[oddyca]

I was delighted to find this thread as I have exactly the same questions as you, but about another John Burton/Ann Barnett son, Andrew (b 1791) who I believe is the younger brother of your William, and my husband's 4x great-grandfather. 

Whilst it is very tempting to believe the information shared in trees online, it has also always seemed odd to me that "our" Andrew should have been a labourer if his grandfather was a vicar and a scion of a well-educated and wealthy landed family.  I am therefore very interested in the theory that there is a link to Augustin Burton of Braunston.

However, my feeling is that there IS still a link between the families, though it may loop back a few generations and thus not directly involve the Rev Bartin Burton.  If you look at the history of the (shall we say) "more illustrious" Burtons of Rutland, three recurring forenames are Bartin, Augustin and Andrew and it is this last one which originally made me think that there might be a link; the suggestion that there is a labourer named Augustin in Braunston only strengthens this feeling.

You might find the section on the Burtons in this magazine interesting if you have not already see it:

 https://www.rutlandhistory.org/rutlandrecord/rr08.pdf

Finally, I wonder whether you have DNA tested?  My husband has so we may be able to find a common link.

[oddyca]

ADDENDUM to my other message - you might also like to know that my mother-in-law (who is the descendant of Andrew Burton) was always told by her grandmother Gertrude Burton (b Manton, 1876) that she was descended from a very wealthy family in Rutland, so this would seem to back up some of the theories! 

[tamarclaire]

Thank you so much for your post.  It is really good to hear from someone else with the same questions about another son of John Burton and Ann Barnett.  William Burton baptised 30 Sept 1787 at Oakham is an older brother of Andrew baptised at Oakham on 10 Sept 1790.  William is my 3x great grandfather which I think makes your husband and I fourth cousins once removed.

It is interesting that your mother-in-law was told by her grandmother that she was descended from a very wealthy family in Rutland.  My mother was told by her mother (who was a Burton) that there was blue blood in the family and that a coachman had apparently run away with a girl from a well-to-do family.  I decided in the end that this was a cover story for the fact that my great grandmother’s parents weren’t actually married and then didn’t give it any further thought!

Looking at Rev Bartin Burton’s Will, he left £400 each to his three younger children, John, Cornelius and Mary. According to the Bank of England Inflation Calculator £400 would be worth £63,678.71 today.  This again does not tie in with Bartin having a son who worked a labourer. I have tried to find out more information about Bartin’s son John but so far nothing has come to light except the Burton/Barnett marriage and also some family trees saying that John died in India but I don’t know where that information originally comes from.

I have done an DNA test and the results are on Ancestry.  I will send you a private message with the details. It would be really good if we could find a definite known descendant of Bartin Burton who had also DNA tested to see if there were any shared matches.  But as you say, if Augustin is John’s real father, then there could still be connections further back to the more illustrious part of the family.

Who did Andrew marry?  I have a possibly marriage for Andrew to a Mary Young on 9/2/1813 at Oakham.  William married Alice Hill (from Braunston) on 7/11/1809 at Oakham and they had 10 children; I am descended from their oldest son William who was born in 1810 and in Leicester.