Author Topic: Where to look for those who are English but the child possibly born in France.  (Read 4284 times)

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Evening all, I am absolutely blown away by your research and help.
Having cleared the decks of some living relatives ,I’ve had a Quick Look.
Exactly my thoughts are being written. My Aunt who started the research back in 1946 and was still searching at 104 !!! At one point thought she was a high class prostitute when we found the link to Regent Street Carlton buildings.
But I then began to think was “Aunt Sarah” deliberately marrying older men to get their money and property or good forbid was she helping them on their way ( I’ll never know that !)
I can’t understand what Sarah Maslin is doing in Rotherhithe Surrey London where she marries,as it appears that the family link is Devizes.
I also have wondered who Amelia is and where she came from as I don’t think she’s an Evitt by birth or a Maslin.
I shall return to this tomorrow.
You have no idea how grateful I am for all your efforts !Thank you.✨🌟✨

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I also have wondered who Amelia is and where she came from as I don’t think she’s an Evitt by birth or a Maslin.

Your reply has me confused. There is a GRO birth registration for Amelia Evett (born 1838) plus her 1843 "late" baptism record on Ancestry. Mother's maiden is Maslin.

You can order a digital copy of the 1838 birth directly from the GRO for only £2.50 for further proof.

Unless a baptism for the other daughter Jane Maslin Evett can be located it's probably a case of George and Jane neglecting to baptise their older children (Jane and Louisa).

Jane, Louisa, and Sarah all name-check their father as George Evett/George Maslin (grocer).

Then there's the milliner occupation for sisters Louisa, Sarah, and Amelia (see 1851 census).

In my mind, the remaining mystery is how Jane Maslin (from London) and "Aunt Sarah" are connected.

Maybe Jane Maslin (witness at the 1822 marriage) is the "wife" of George Evett, and mum of the girls mentioned above. Given that Aunt Sarah "married up" in 1822 was there an agreement/arrangement for her to take Louisa and Sarah?


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There is a baptism for a Jane Maslin, dau of John & Elizabeth , St James, Westminster
Indexed with FHS film no 1850973 & 1042309

Bap 17 March 1799
Born 11 Dec 1798

IF that is our Jane Perhaps John & Sarah are brother & sister?

Or, John (the father) was fictitious and Elizabeth was the same single mother  who had given birth to "aunt" Sarah in Upavon in 1790, That would make Jane and aunt Sarah sisters / half sisters. If LE was Jane's child (irrespective of whether George Evitt is her natural father), then "aunt" Sarah would indeed be her aunt. I think Richard maslin and Jane nee Eades (marriage winesses) are Elizabeth's brother and sister in law. Jane using the Maslin surname before they were actually married.  see reply #30
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Not sure if its related, but a Richard Maslin (born 1786) was buried in St James, Piccadilly on 21 Dec 1832.
I only mention it because Jane Evett (nee Maslin) gives St James as her birthplace in the 1851 census.

Image of record is on Ancestry, this Richard Maslin was from the workhouse. Could the Jane Maslin who did not quite marry George Evitt be this Richard's widow? So she would be Jane Eades and first married name was Maslin.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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There is a removal order for a Richard Maslin from St Leonards Shoreditch to St James Westminster dated 2 Dec 1829. It says delivered to the workhouse.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Where to look for those who are English but the child possibly born in France.
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday 10 April 24 08:23 BST (UK) »
I don’t think I have seen posted ..apologies if I have missed it

There are  Banns dated Jan 28 to Feb 11 1838 for George Evett B(achelor) and Jane Maslin S(pinster) with a big X by it.  Does that mean they didn’t follow through with the marriage?


Added…church = St Giles in the Fields

There's a marriage Q1 1838 - George Evett and Jane Maslin on same page  vol 1 page 48. But his entry says Bloomsbury and hers says St Giles and St George although the vol number and page number are the same. Found on freeBMD
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Where to look for those who are English but the child possibly born in France.
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday 10 April 24 08:27 BST (UK) »
Image of marriage record on Ancestry. Feb 12th 1838 St Giles in the fields. Jane says her father is John Maslin - no occupation given. Witnesses W. Taylor and Esther Cooper. All parties sign

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Jane is single so not the widow of the Richard found earlier
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Where to look for those who are English but the child possibly born in France.
« Reply #52 on: Wednesday 10 April 24 14:11 BST (UK) »
Richard and Jane (Elizabeth Maslen's parents) baptised a son, Richard in 1769 in Upavon. If he married a Jane, the witnesses could be Sarah's aunt and uncle rather than her grandparents.

Found a marriage of a Richard Maslin widower to a Jane Eades spinster in  Bethnal Green on 6th May 1823 (after Sarah Maslin married Richard Sissons). There is some similarity in the signatures, but Jane would have to have been calling herself Maslin before marriage for it to work.

banns were called for this couple in Whitechapel in 1820. Something must have prevented them marrying until 1823.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Where to look for those who are English but the child possibly born in France.
« Reply #53 on: Wednesday 10 April 24 14:12 BST (UK) »
As mentioned in my Reply #26 --

The OP references a "Mrs Fawkes of Carlton Chambers, Regent Street, London" in connection with sisters Louisa and Sarah.

In the 1841 census there's a Joseph & Eliza Fawkes residing at Carlton Chambers with two teenagers (Eliza and Edward). Joseph and Eliza are both servants.
  Note: Edward was born in Essex in 1826.

UPDATED:

Joseph Fawkes died in 1849. His widow Elizabeth marries again in December 1854:

Elizabeth Fawkes (nee Maslin), widow
George Stacey, widower, occupation: Porter
Both of this parish: Paddington
Fathers: John Maslin (Servant) and William Stacey (farmer)
Witnesses: handwriting is terrible, so unable to decipher the names

1851 census - Unable to locate widow Elizabeth Fawkes

1861 census - George and Elizabeth Stacey at Carlton Chambers, 4 Regent Street.  According to the census, Elizabeth was born 1805 in London.

Elizabeth died in 1866 and is buried in Brompton Cemetery (Residence is 4 Regent Street).

1866 - St. James Westminster, London
Stacey, Elizabeth (age 63)

So, this connects Jane Maslin to Elizabeth Maslin. Possibly sisters? And how are they related to "Aunt Sarah" from Wiltshire?