Alice Kershaw Musk - Rawtenstall

[wilcoxon]

In 1901 she is Elizabeth

Elizabeth Harwood Age23 Estimated Birth Year abt 1878 b Rawtenstall
Relation to Head Wife
SpouseJohn Alfred Harwood Birth PlaceRawtenstall, Lancashire, England

Civil parish Rawtenstall formerly Cowpe Lench, Newhall Hey and Hall Carr

Still in Back Carr Terrace

[wilcoxon]

1911 she is Alice Kershaw,  mistranscribed

John Alfred Harwood 36Head
Alice Thershaw Harwood 33Wife
Harold Harwood6 Son
Alice Jane Harwood3 Daughter
Annie Harwood2 Daughter
Jack Harwood1 Son

Not helping much really.

[heywood]

So is this her? There is no birth for Elizabeth/Alice Kershaw

1881 census
2 Crabtree buildings, coupe-lench and Newhallhey and Hall Carr, Haslingden.


Ann Kershaw 58
Christopher
John
ELIZABETH J 20
Jane
ELIZABETH KERSHAW 3 granddaughter


1891 census
Alma Cottages, 24 Hall Carr, haslingden.



Ann 66
John
Jane
Alice 13 daughter

Could Elizabeth in 1881 be the same person as Alice in 1891.

[softly softly]

Info only, having established the exact dob 21.6.1918 of our Cyril and his disappearance after 1921.

Death of a Cyril Smith, dq 1994 Staffordshire dob 21.6.1918

SS

[Road Runner]

Hello Heywood,
Looking at your last post (#47) I initially thought this was a good possibility however on Alice’s birth cert it does give mother, Elisabeth’s surname as Musk with no father’s name so unfortunately, I do not think this is her since Elizabeth is a Kershaw. But many thanks for your reply.
After weeks of searching for Alice in the 1881 and 1891 census, I have found absolutely no trace of her or her mother.
Regards

[Road Runner]

Hi All,
Having completely failed to locate Alice in either the 1881 or 1891 census and clutching at straws, I wonder if anyone has access to Lancashire Archive Library who would be in a position to look up the Bastardly Orders that the hold to see if an order was made against her biological father for her support.
Thanks

From the Ntional Archives:-
Bastardy Orders
This record is held by Lancashire Archives
See contact details

Reference:    PSBk/3
Title:            Bastardy Orders
Description:    
original bundles
Held by:            Lancashire Archives, not available at The National Archives

[heywood]

Hello Heywood,
Looking at your last post (#47) I initially thought this was a good possibility however on Alice’s birth cert it does give mother, Elisabeth’s surname as Musk with no father’s name so unfortunately, I do not think this is her since Elizabeth is a Kershaw. But many thanks for your reply.
After weeks of searching for Alice in the 1881 and 1891 census, I have found absolutely no trace of her or her mother.
Regards

Hello again,
Sorry, I was not saying that the older Elizabeth is the mother.
 I was querying whether the child, Elizabeth Kershaw , 3 yrs, in 1881 4135/23/40 with grandmother, Ann Kershaw and the child Alice Kershaw in 1891 (described as daughter) is the same person.

[Road Runner]

Hello Heywood,
It is interesting that in the 1881 census an Elizabeth is the grand-daughter age 3 but the 1891 shows an Alice aged 13, now daughter. As you say I believe they are both one and the same person.

What is stuck in my mind is that Alice Kershaw Musk uses her full name on the marriage certificate, is still living in Rawtenstall, but has no family member as a witness. They are both from the grooms family.

Hopefully there will be a breakthrough one day.
Many thanks for your help.

[heywood]

Yes, I agree it is odd. If she was raised in the Kershaw family, you would think there may be a Kershaw member as a witness.

I am just looking back over, it is interesting that in 1901, she is Elizabeth and in 1911 she is Alice.
If I have understood that correctly.