Hanover Place, Walter Street, Liverpool 1881

[heywood]

Court no 2 is behind the Stanley Inn.
It seems an odd way of numbering the Courts.

[shelleyf]

Thanks Kay. Those names match up to the children I have found in Louth for James Caffrey and Ellen Quinn.

There is a James Caffrey age 40 b Ireland living at a Court - No 3 on Water St in 1881 wife Ellen and children Mary A 20, Lizzie 15, Maggie 13, James 10 and Bridget 10??

Kay

[shelleyf]

Thanks for the info, Alan. And thanks for the reminder to use FindMyPast to search using the address. I always forget about that.

I think it is Walter Street.

Liverpool Mercury 9th August 1881
An advert for a sale of:

Twelve dwelling houses, two being Nos. 3 and 4 Walter street, Great Howard-street, and ten being in No. 4 court or Hanover-place, Liverpool.

I used FindMyPast address search to find Walter Street in 1881. I haven't searched extensively, and the house numbering is confusing,  but I did see a Caffrey family so I'll use that as an entry point:
James Caffrey 40
Court 3 House, 4 Walter Street
RG11
piece 3603
folio 152
page 43
schedule 1372

[shelleyf]

Thanks heywood.

I found the same family too but Kay pipped me to it.
The address is 4 Court, house number 3.

[shelleyf]

Heywood, thanks for the info. Some more things for me to follow up.  Yes, no children that I can see. I’m intrigued by the similarities in names. My 2x great grandfather Francis Bennett (b abt 1832 in Ireland) was the son of Denis Bennett and Hannah Hanlon. They were in Liverpool after about 1840. My Francis emigrated to Australia in 1860s.

Shelley,
I don’t see children to your couple so perhaps you are searching other members of those families.
Here is a baptism of Ellen Cafrey - parents James and Ellen Quin in Dundalk - 25th February 1863
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632583#page/195/mode/1up

There are baptisms for other children listed in 1881 and a birth for Bridget McCaffrey  here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03138/2151060.pdf

There is a possibility for Ellen at 1881 3619/35/16
Ellen M McCaffery , a nurse, in Brownlow Street

[MollyC]

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[MollyC]

The house numbering is confusing

In some cities the names of yards and courts were changed to numbers between the two Ordnance Survey town plan series of the 1850s and the 1880-90s.  In other cities that did not happen.  The census transcripts seem to struggle to give a correct address from the numbers.  Addresses in council documents are usually in the form "4 Court, 3 House, Walter Street", which is actually an illogical order.
Often abbreviated to "4Ct 3Ho Walter Street", which baffles the transcribers.

I have sent corrections to Findmypast with a detailed explanation and they are usually good at responding, but not over this.  They may interpret 4Ct as a house NAME!

[shelleyf]

Thank you, Alan. I love these old maps.

Shelley

A map view (town plan 1891) of the same site as identified in reply #2 showing the Hanover Place site labelled as Court No. 4. Unlike the earlier map (reply #2), where the street to the east is Lightbody Street with Molyneuxs Place, Esther's Place, and Elizabeth Place, on this 1891 map Walter Street continues to the east and has courts 1, 3 and 5. No sign of court 2 that I can see.

https://tinyurl.com/2h82e233

[shelleyf]

Ah yes, I did wonder about that one.

There is a possibility for Ellen at 1881 3619/35/16
Ellen M McCaffery , a nurse, in Brownlow Street