Hanover Place, Walter Street, Liverpool 1881

[shelleyf]

I have a record for a Catholic marriage in September 1881 between Francis Bennett and Ellen Caffrey. They both list their address as Hanover Place, Walter Street, Liverpool.

I'm wondering how to find this address in the 1881 census to see if they were living there at the time. I’ve searched both of them in the 1881 census but can’t find either.

According to a 1901 census record, which I think is them, Francis was born in Liverpool and Ellen was born in Ireland.

The marriage record gives the fathers as Denis Bennett and James Caffrey. McCaffrey/McAffrey could be an alternative spelling. Witnesses to the marriage were Joanne (John?) Duffy of Dundalk and Mary Ann Caffrey, also from Hanover Place, Walter Street.

Shelley

[shelleyf]

Maybe it is Watter Street, although I can’t find one. Or is it a misspelling of Water Street.

[Kay99]

It is Hanover Place, Walter Street as shown on this Town Map but I can't see Hanover Place on the 1881 census  https://maps.nls.uk/view/229948098#zoom=6&lat=8988&lon=11233&layers=BT   Possibly just listed under Walter Street?

Kay

[Kay99]

There is a James Caffrey age 40 b Ireland living at a Court - No 3 on Water St in 1881 wife Ellen and children Mary A 20, Lizzie 15, Maggie 13, James 10 and Bridget 10??

Kay

[AlanBoyd]

I think it is Walter Street.

Liverpool Mercury 9th August 1881
An advert for a sale of:

Twelve dwelling houses, two being Nos. 3 and 4 Walter street, Great Howard-street, and ten being in No. 4 court or Hanover-place, Liverpool.

I used FindMyPast address search to find Walter Street in 1881. I haven't searched extensively, and the house numbering is confusing,  but I did see a Caffrey family so I'll use that as an entry point:
James Caffrey 40
Court 3 House, 4 Walter Street
RG11
piece 3603
folio 152
page 43
schedule 1372

[heywood]

I found the same family too but Kay pipped me to it.
The address is 4 Court, house number 3.

[heywood]

Shelley,
I don’t see children to your couple so perhaps you are searching other members of those families.
Here is a baptism of Ellen Cafrey - parents James and Ellen Quin in Dundalk - 25th February 1863
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632583#page/195/mode/1up

There are baptisms for other children listed in 1881 and a birth for Bridget McCaffrey  here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03138/2151060.pdf

There is a possibility for Ellen at 1881 3619/35/16
Ellen M McCaffery , a nurse, in Brownlow Street

[AlanBoyd]

A map view (town plan 1891) of the same site as identified in reply #2 showing the Hanover Place site labelled as Court No. 4. Unlike the earlier map (reply #2), where the street to the east is Lightbody Street with Molyneuxs Place, Esther's Place, and Elizabeth Place, on this 1891 map Walter Street continues to the east and has courts 1, 3 and 5. No sign of court 2 that I can see.

https://tinyurl.com/2h82e233

Added: correction Lightbody Street is still there in 1891 and see a later reply for the location of court 2.

[shelleyf]

Thanks for that link to the map, Kay.

It is Hanover Place, Walter Street as shown on this Town Map but I can't see Hanover Place on the 1881 census  https://maps.nls.uk/view/229948098#zoom=6&lat=8988&lon=11233&layers=BT   Possibly just listed under Walter Street?

Kay