Bonhill Census returns 1911, 1921

[Izzy]

Thank you Monica
Did you find them on SP I have entered lots of different spellings wasted £40 doing searches I found one marriage cert and one death and no census  resuts, is it 229 Main st
Izzy

[MonicaL]

Yes, these are all on the SP indexes for the censuses.

The 1921 census shows the following entry on the census index:

ELIZABETH W HALE OF SEFFEN 51 ref 493/ 16/ 14

The older Henry Seffen now 78 is still also in Bonhill ref  493/ 14/ 30

And in Dumbarton, for 1921 there is also still a Henry Seffen 56 and now a Mary Seffen 43 (maybe Helen died?) ref 496/ 3/ 26

These are the only Seffen (and variants) entries in Dumbartonshire for both 1911 and 1921.

Monica
   

[MonicaL]

I haven't viewed them, Izzy. You would need to view them to see the full details for the individual households.

I just put in S*F* and Dunbarton for County on the search screen.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Elizabeth's death registration makes sense of the 1921 census entry on the index. This should read HALE or SEFFEN rather than HALE of SEFFEN.

Her death registration in 1942 shows:

Elizabeth Hale or Seffon (death indexed separately under both surnames)
Age 72
1942
Bonhill
Ref: 493 / 69

Hale looks to have been her maiden name.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Possible marriage for Elizabeth?

SAMUEL SEFFEN
and
ELIZABETH WILSO. HALE
1899
493 / 130
Bonhill

One possible child born with mother's maiden name given as Hale:

THOMAS WATSON H SEFFEN
Mother's maiden name HALE
1902
493 / 160
Bonhill

Monica

[MonicaL]

The 1901 census entry that Alan mentioned earlier:

Thomas S Hale 24 shoemaker b. Muirkirk, Ayrshire
Rachael Hale 21
Robert C Hale 5 Months
Elizabeth Peffon 30 Visitor married b. Glasgow (surname as transcribed by A/try. Find my past have it as Seffen).

Address 24 Dillichip Terrace, Bonhill

I think Thomas Hale and Elizabeth were siblings.

Entry from 1881:

Robert Hale 38 farm servant b. Ireland
Janet Hale 37 b. Strathaven, Lanarkshire
Registration Number    465
Elizabeth Hale 11 b. Glasgow
Robert Hale 9
John Hale 6
Thomas Hale 4 b. Muirkirk, Ayrshire
Hugh Hale 1

Address Jellyholm Cottages, Alloa, Clackmannanshire 

You can get confirmation of Elizabeth's parents from her marriage registration from 1899.

Monica

[MonicaL]

This connects to Samuel Seffen, Elizabeth's husband. His army service papers confirm his details and his 1899 marriage to Elizabeth Wilson Hale.

His 1903 marriage in Blythswood, Glasgow was to a Catherine McMahon or McGregor (2 separate index entries under either surname). Ref 644 / 7 / 269.

[Izzy]

LOL I dont know if im actually related to him thats why I need to see census in them days when children got boarded out it was usually with family a bigamist is not so bad i have lots of skeletons in my closet
Thanks Izzy

[Izzy]

I GOT 1921 CENSUS
Elizabeth Hale Seffen 57
Margaret Lyons  11
James  Lyons  9
No sign of poor Mary their sister