Llaethdy Pontyberem/Mary Ann Evans

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I can’t obviously find this Jane Evans in 1881 but perhaps others can?

Also Jane’s relationship in 1861 and 1871 to others in the census is confusing but perhaps others can unravel?

Not sure about Jane

I think there's a combination of three couples children in those censuses

John Thomas and wife 1
child: Thomas Thomas   (so John's son in 1861, Mary's step son in 1871)

John then marries Mary Evans - hence the Evans step children in 1861

They  have children  Margaret and Joseph Thomas

On 1861 Mary has sons Joseph and George Evans - so John's step sons

Here she is with her first husband in 1851 in Abernant, Llanddarog. Children b Llannon

George Evans  24  b Llanddarog
Mary Evans     29   b LLanarthney
David Evans      6
Joseph Evans    4    
John Evans        1
   

[roycymru]

Great work Mabel. I note the Mary Evans (age 3) with the Rees family in 1891 is listed as an adopted child and in 1901 her name “mutates” to Mary Evans Rees. So I am guessing this is a different Mary Evans and not Mary Ann Evans with mother Jane.

I'm not sure why you'd think this is a different Mary Evans. Right name, right age and right address in 1901? She's not necessarily going to be with her mother in 1891.

Sorry, your correct

[roycymru]

I can’t obviously find this Jane Evans in 1881 but perhaps others can?

Also Jane’s relationship in 1861 and 1871 to others in the census is confusing but perhaps others can unravel?

Not sure about Jane

I think there's a combination of three couples children in those censuses

John Thomas and wife 1
child: Thomas Thomas   (so John's son in 1861, Mary's step son in 1871)

John then marries Mary Evans - hence the Evans step children in 1861

They  have children  Margaret and Joseph Thomas

On 1861 Mary has sons Joseph and George Evans - so John's step sons

Here she is with her first husband in 1851 in Abernant, Llanddarog. Children b Llannon

George Evans  24  b Llanddarog
Mary Evans     29   b LLanarthney
David Evans      6
Joseph Evans    4    
John Evans        1

Great work again. Looking at Jane Evans, in 1861 and 1871 she was born Llanddarog, so her birth would have been registered in Carmarthen not Llanelly, so the below is more likely to be her, another illegitimacy

EVANS, JANE    mmn   - 
GRO Reference: 1861  M Quarter in CARMARTHEN  Volume 11A  Page 588

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I see Mary Thomas has a sister Jane Evans (unmarried, b c1823) with her in 1881.

Might be young Jane's mother?

[roycymru]

I think you may have the wrong birth reg for Louisa

I've found John and Mary Rees in Llanguicke in 1871 - Louisa transcribed by Ancestry as Lewis A. She's listed as age 6, and in other censuses is 18, 25 and 35 so an 1867 birth looks a little late

I think she may have been Mary's child from before the marriage,
    
LEWIS, LOUISA        
No mmn
Q1 1865  LLANELLY  Volume 11A  Page 640

Good spot with the “Lewis A” and the GRO entry then makes sense

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Possible marriage for John Thomas and Mary Evans?

Q1 1860   Carmarthen    Vol 11a p749   
Evans    David          
Evans    Mary        
Lewis    Elizabeth        
Thomas    John        

[roycymru]

I see Mary Thomas has a sister Jane Evans (unmarried, b c1823) with her in 1881.

Might be young Jane's mother?

Looks like you are correct, with Jane born 03 Mar 1861 Porthyrhydd, Llanddarog, mother Jane Evans, no father listed

[roycymru]

I think Jane (the mother) is at Ysanteg(?) Llanddarog in 1851, age 29, unmarried a Labourer’s daughter. With her is a brother Thomas Evans, age 21, unmarried a collier.

In 1861 I think sh is “resident” at Garnlwydfawr, age 38, unmarried a dressmaker, born Llanddarog. Garnlwydfawr is a farm owned by John Griffiths age 50 of Llangunnor.

I can’t obviously find her in 1871.

In 1881 she is with her sister age 58 a former Laundress.

I think this may the marriage of Thomas Evans in Llanddarog. 22 Jul 1859, Thomas Evans, age 30, Bachelor, Collier of Pantig(?) and Margaret Jones, age 28, Spinster of Rhyd-y-Dalan. Fathers were John Evans and Thomas Jones, both Farmers.

In 1861 Thomas and Margaret are at Tregursens(?), Llanddarog. Thomas 32 a Collier of Llanddarog and Margaret 30 of Llangendeirne with a Daughter Mary Evans age 1 of Llanddarog.

In 1871 same address, Llanddarog
John 43 Collier
Margaret 39
Jemima Jones 21 Step Dau Seamstress Llanddarog
Mary Evans 11 Dau
Catherine Evans 3 Dau
David Evans 1 son

I think this is the birth entry for Dau Catherine which gave me the mmn of Jones

EVANS, CATHERINE       mmn JONES 
GRO Reference: 1868  J Quarter in CARMARTHEN  Volume 11A  Page 762

[roycymru]

Any suggestions for what the crossed out word is in the attached?