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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #117 on: Sunday 25 February 24 13:04 GMT (UK) »
Aha! Well done Sandra and Jonw65. I have an Ancestry sub at the mo but find searching hit and miss.

So now the first sighting of Janet Brown is 1898 and in Chicago not South Bend.

So did Janet train as a milliner in England or learn in the US? Or perhaps she wasn’t a hands-on one but a business owner. Money?

Millinery was big business and also one of the few respectable occupations for women then, I’ve read.

Wonder if Miss Helen Connor is in any census and is English?

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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #118 on: Sunday 25 February 24 13:26 GMT (UK) »
Amazing information found on this thread, well done to all. I must agree, my thoughts from the first were that there was a high chance the father "William CALDWELL" was an invention. Though I do find the line in the article jon found: "Mrs. Caldwell, whose maiden name was Miss Janet Brown" interesting. Does this imply some people knew her as Janet BROWN, implying a marriage in the US, or is it simply trying to make a connection with the "Brown and Connor" name.  :-\

Now looking like Janet/Jeanette Brown married William Caldwell in the USA after 1899?  She might not have changed the company name immediately after marriage though.  Perhaps not until her new Caldwell & Anderson venture?
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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #119 on: Sunday 25 February 24 13:29 GMT (UK) »


There was a Beda Anderson  (aged 34 in 1920 - so I discounted her from being in business with Janet Caldwell back in 1905 Indiana )
Bede Anderson in Chicago in 1920 described as a milliner - line 91 - a border with the Madden family.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R66-6LY?view=index&action=view

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I can't view that link for some reason - it doesn't show the original image.  But I can see the image via Ancestry. 
34 years old in 1920, arrived in the US in 1900. Milliner in a store (as opposed to a factory I suppose). Wage or salary (does that mean she's an employee rather than an employer?).
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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #120 on: Sunday 25 February 24 13:56 GMT (UK) »


Were you logged into family search ?

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BULLYING is the use of force, coercion, hurtful teasing, comments, or threats, in order to abuse, aggressively dominate, or intimidate one or more others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual.

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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #121 on: Sunday 25 February 24 15:32 GMT (UK) »
Yes.

Another site where I have hit and miss success. Do you go to a specific rather than the general search?
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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #122 on: Sunday 25 February 24 17:13 GMT (UK) »


Probably a variety of searches if I'm not getting the expected results  :)
Running out of ideas on this conundrum  :-\

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BULLYING is the use of force, coercion, hurtful teasing, comments, or threats, in order to abuse, aggressively dominate, or intimidate one or more others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual.

Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #123 on: Sunday 25 February 24 17:44 GMT (UK) »
It would be useful to see the earliest reference to Mrs J Caldwell bracketed with Brown and Connor, which might pinpoint when she married or started calling herself Mrs Caldwell.

If Janet did marry, was Ivy her birth daughter (born before or after marriage) or her stepdaughter? Ivy may have arrived in the USA with her birth mother,  possibly the first Mrs Caldwell? Assuming Ivy was born in England. Presumably Ivy had papers showing she was born in England, or were people’s info just taken on their word?  She probably didn’t need a birth cert when marrying Robert Goodman. She could pretty much say what she wanted for a census as long as it matched what she’d told her husbands. The husbands might have given all the family info to the enumerator anyway. And with the US censuses being sealed for 70 odd years, no-one would know or care (except us!) about inaccuracies.

With another family I was tracing in England, they’d gone to extraordinary effort to disguise themselves. Why as no-one would see it for 100 years? Did they think the enumerator would know and tell the neighbours or the newspapers? The man had a wife elsewhere and the marriage must have broken down between two censuses. He and his new partner were listed with amended names, ages, places of birth and occupation. The clue was the children including a son of his and his wife. If the man hadn’t died soon after, the link between his real name, the census address, and his partner wouldn’t have been on record. I posted it all on Wikipaedia as he was a famous-ish artist John Cheltenham Wake with the original entry limited and erroneous. It was luck really as their youngest child’s school admission showed an address plus mother’s name that confirmed it.

Perhaps a bit of lucky recording of info will lead us to Ivy’s origins. :)
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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #124 on: Sunday 25 February 24 19:53 GMT (UK) »
1898 Lakeside Directory of the City of Chicago (on ancestry)

Brown Jeanette Miss (Brown & Connor) 517, 34 Washington h 191 Schiller

Connor Helen Miss (Brown & Connor) 517, 34 Washington h 10 Burton pl

Also 1897 directory
Conner Helen (Brown & Conner) 518, 34 Washington h 638 W Munroe
Brown Jeanette (Brown & Conner)  ditto h 666 Park Ave

1896
no Helen Conner/or/ors listed.
but....
Brown Jeanette F wid John F h 6415 Stewart Ave   Was our Janet Brown actually Mrs Janet Brown?  So now need to find a marriage and perhaps a different passenger record?

no 1892-5 directories
1891
no Jeanette/Janet Brown


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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #125 on: Sunday 25 February 24 20:01 GMT (UK) »
Not sure this the right connection.  :-\

Just out of interest I believe the City Directory entries are usually applicable to the previous year.

FIND A GRAVE

John F Brown 1865 - 1895

Mount Hope Cemetery
Chicago, Cook County, Illinois

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/107144804/john-f-brown

Janet Montgomery Richardson Brown

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/107144805/janet_montgomery_brown

Birth Certificate Index for a "Brown" child

John F Brown
Birth Date   Abt 1855 - Birth Place   Scotland Age   34
Spouse    Jenett Richardson
Child    Brown

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BULLYING is the use of force, coercion, hurtful teasing, comments, or threats, in order to abuse, aggressively dominate, or intimidate one or more others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual.

Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

British Census copyright The National Archives; Canadian Census copyright Library and Archives Canada