Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891

[*Sandra*]

Interesting - this is brother Henry G Brown on the 1901 census Harland Road. Birkenhead Cheshire.
But is the age for Janet Caldwell wrong.  Or it this the mother of the husband of Janet Brown/Caldwell- another Janet !!      Doesn't say sister so is it leading back to that Salford Family in the earlier part of the thread - (reply 17) !! ?? Strange.

Henry G Brown   37   Head. Local. Collector. Born Bootle.  Single.
Janet Caldwell 50 Visitor. Born Liverpool.
Friedrick Kardel 25 Boarder

1911 census 23 Mellor Road Prenton Cheshire.

Henry George Brown - Collector of water shipping taxes.
Assie Louida (Annie Louisa) Borth 61 Boarder

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW3L-6MD

Sandra

[ValJJJ]

That's good thinking looking for Brown and Caldwell in the same census and if it is her, could explain why nowhere on the 1900 Federal census. She's the wrong age though as pretty consistently recorded as born abt 1868.  So she should be in her 30s on the 1901 census.  I've checked the image and it's been transcribed correctly with her born Liverpool and Henry G Brown rate collector born Bootle.  The boarder a commercial book-keeper, born Germany.

Meanwhile I've just ordered the birth cert pdf from GRO for Janet Isabel Brown and expect to see that on Monday.

[ValJJJ]

I've searched without success for an Ivy Isabel/Isobel Brown or an Isabel/Isobel Ivy Brown on freeBMD born 1889-1898 but perhaps her middle name wasn't registered.  I have found an Isabella Brown 1893 reg'd West Derby (now subsumed into Liverpool). But GRO shows MMN as McGovern. 

I'm now thinking that Ivy was told she was born in 1891 in England, of English parents, and arrived in the USA in 1893, so that's what she gave for the censuses.  Or told that she arrived in the USA as a two-year old and that it was in 1893.  She wouldn't remember any details later if she did arrive that young, so 1893 could be out by a few years, and also her birth year which varies so much in the records.  Guessing her age?

Yes she had an English mother, Janet, and possibly an English father back home but was she born in the USA a few months after Janet arrived?

Why would Janet Brown head for Indiana - she must have had a relative or a connection/job there or high hopes.  Who is Connor/Conner of Brown and Connor?

It sounds like she reinvented herself on arrival, as Maddys52 pointed out (sorry I've only just seen your post - so many appearing!) and using these company names to justify her story.

[ValJJJ]

I've contacted the history museum for N. Indiana as they cover South Bend.  To see what they might have on Brown & Connor there.

[*Sandra*]

Here is another strange one - draws a blank.

Nearly got excited with the date     Wrong mother, wrong Christian names for Ivy Isabel  Brown not Caldwell as well. 
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Ethel May Brown

Baptism Date   29 Mar 1891
Baptism Place   Parish of St. Clement, Ordsall-in-Salford, Lancashire, England
Father   William Brown - Mother    Mary Jane 

Sandra

[ValJJJ]

 

I've just found a Janet Brown in a crew list going to NY
Age   30
Birth Year   abt 1867
Birth Place   Liverpool
Event Date   1897
Port of Registry   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ship Name   Lucania

Looking at the image, the whole line is crossed out with an entry about being transferred. Possible March 1897. It doesn't say where transferred to, but there is no signature unlike those who sailed. But there is an address 149 Stanley Rd, plus an illegible (to me) town or area, could be Bootle, and the job of Stewardess.  There are hundreds of pages of images and I have yet to find exactly when the ship sailed but as she wasn't on it, no matter.

I've started looking at passenger records for Janet Brown or Caldwell to/from the USA over a range of years because she could have left Ivy in England with grandmother and then returned to collect her later, as suggested by a Rootschatter earlier (think it was you Sandra).  So if Janet Caldwell is with her brother in 1901 (when she wasn't visible in US censuses) that could have been the reason for the trip. Although there were only a few years between her brother and her so can't see why her age would be so wrong.  I need to pursue a mother in law Janet Caldwell as you suggested.

There might well be a William Caldwell who stayed in England, but he was cited as Ivy's father on the birth cert, if we could ever find her birth!

[*Sandra*]

I've just found a Janet Brown in a crew list going to NY
Age   30
Birth Year   abt 1867
Birth Place   Liverpool
Event Date   1897
Port of Registry   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ship Name   Lucania

Looking at the image, the whole line is crossed out with an entry about being transferred. Possible March 1897. It doesn't say where transferred to, but there is no signature unlike those who sailed. But there is an address 149 Stanley Rd, plus an illegible (to me) town or area, could be Bootle, and the job of Stewardess.  There are hundreds of pages of images and I have yet to find exactly when the ship sailed but as she wasn't on it, no matter.

  Snap - reply 98 - was 26/3/1897

Sandra

[ValJJJ]

Oh sorry, so many posts on this thread that I missed that!

[*Sandra*]

Don't apologise, think I'm going round in circles    Keep needing a lie down and tablets for headaches