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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #72 on: Wednesday 21 February 24 15:46 GMT (UK) »
UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 for Janet I Weirick - crossed thru so did'nt travel but it gives a UK address. (7 th December 1946)

Woodland Cottage. Farthing Common. Folkestone. Kent.

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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #73 on: Wednesday 21 February 24 15:56 GMT (UK) »


Checked most of the passenger lists looking for a relative or clue -  check the 1947 one. Transcription jumbled.

cousin Sir W A Hayward/Wayward ?? Monkhorton. Kent.

Janet I Weirick - Marital Status   Widowed
Age   77
Birth Date   abt 1870 Birth Place   England Other Birth Place   Liverpool, England
Last Known Residence   London, England
Departure Port   Southampton, England
Arrival Date   16 Jun 1947 Arrival Port   New York, New York, USA
Residence Place   England
Final Destination   Darsan, Wne
Years in US   Permanently
Citizenship Intention   Yes
Height   5feet, 3inches - Hair Color   Gray - Eye Color   Blue
Complexion   Frh
Person in Old Country   S.r.w. Ahayam
Person in Old Country Relationship   Cousin
Person in Old Country Residence   England
Ship Name   Mauretania

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Oh that is interesting - the cousin is Sir W A Wayland - who is a mystery connection with another part of the family.  Could be the DNA link!

The other passenger record is her re-entering the USA where her line is handwritten and says British, with (Stateless) above, which might apply to the typed entry above or hers. More likely to be her as handwritten?  This despite her being a naturalised citizen via her marriage to Goodman.
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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #74 on: Wednesday 21 February 24 16:03 GMT (UK) »
William A Wayland
Registration Date   Jul 1944Aug 1944 Sep 1944 - Registration Quarter   Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district   Folkestone    Kent
Spouse    Kathleen Browne
Volume Number   2a Page number   3054

Dover Express
Dover, Kent, England •
Fri, 18 Aug 1944
Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/article/dover-express/141769699/

Hull Daily Mail
Hull, Humberside, England •
Fri, 11 Aug 1944
Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/article/hull-daily-mail/141769783/

The East Kent Gazette, etc.
Sittingbourne, Kent, England •
Fri, 22 Sept 1950
Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-east-kent-gazette-etc/141770106/


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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #75 on: Wednesday 21 February 24 16:52 GMT (UK) »
I've already collected quite a lot of info on Sir Wayland and built his tree to try to work out a connection.

His mother was Ada Matilda Woods, born 1839ish in Liverpool, so guessing Ada was a sibling of Janet's mother.  Making them cousins. FreeBMD has Ada born 1840 regd West Derby.

Wayland was married but later lived with Kathleen Browne until his first wife died. Hence the late marriage.
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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #76 on: Thursday 22 February 24 12:54 GMT (UK) »
We’ve veered quite a way from Ivy Caldwell born Settle haven’t we? I think I need to investigate that again.

Another -remote? - possibility is that she was born at sea? En route to North America. What nationality would she be and would the record be with the GRO? I can’t see anywhere obvious in their online index.
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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #77 on: Thursday 22 February 24 16:51 GMT (UK) »
From nothing, there has been a vast amount of progress on the thread as a whole.

Still lots of questions to be answered.

US State Department guidance instructs that a child born in international waters should have their place of birth listed as "AT SEA"

The marriage certificate for William Caldwell and Jane Brown (Wakefield) would hopefully specify parents, which might help take this further ?

The birth certificate of Ivy Isabel Caldwell registered September 1892 Settle would help clarify parents ?

The newspaper article indicated Jane had been in the USA a few years by the time of her marriage in 1916 to James Weirick.  No UK Census record for 1901 !!  Did Jane/Janet Brown/Caldwell have siblings ?

The 1920 census indicated she may have immigrated in 1893. (note : census can be wrong with birth and immigration dates)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRXG-QQ7?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMW1S-HLQ&action=view

The earliest articles referring to Ivy Isabel Caldwell appear in 1911 - the date of the US 1910 census was 5 April 1910 - so perhaps the family were not in the USA in 1910. 

Try the nearest local library to where she passed to see if you can locate an obituary for Ivy.

Could Jane/Janet have left Ivy in the UK until she become established in the USA ? If she did who did she leave Ivy with ?  No sign on 1901  UK census !!  No sign on the US 1900 census. !!

If you think that Jane/Janet's mother was a sibling of Ada Matilda Woods, then you would need a Woods/Brown marriage.  Seems sense to investigate all her siblings and that angle if your saying there was a link to Sir William Wayland.

What is the Brown - Connor link ?  Did Jane have a sibling who married a Connor who also immigrated  ?

Is there a "Connor" link in the Wayland line ?

Kathleen Browne (with an "E" who married William Wayland, have you followed Kathleen backwards
 (or is it just co-incidence that the surname is the same.) ??

It appears Jane/Janet E Weirick (Kent England)  spent the winter with Ivy in 1938

Wausau Daily Herald
Wausau, Wisconsin •
Thu, 1 Dec 1938
Page 9

https://www.newspapers.com/article/wausau-daily-herald/141843605/

Out of interest - had been in hospital 2 years prior to passing

Wausau Daily Herald
Wausau, Wisconsin •
Wed, 23 Mar 1960
Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/article/wausau-daily-herald/141844908/

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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #78 on: Thursday 22 February 24 20:41 GMT (UK) »
On the marriage record for William Caldwell (bachelor, railway guard, aged 26 years) when he married Emily Kelly in the Parish Church, Smallbridge. Lancashire on the 11 th July 1889.  Ellen Caldwell his sister was a witness. Father was James Caldwell -
Emily Kelly was a spinster - aged 25 years, spinster, domestic servant.  Father William Kelly a farmer.

1891 census Hellifield, Yorkshire (Registration District Settle)

William Caldwell   27   Head
Emily Caldwell 27   Wife
Richard E Caldwell 5/12   Son.  MMN Kelly.

A birth of Ivy Caldwell in Settle (same redg dist) Sept 1892  (9a17) MMN Kelly

BUT no ivy on the 1901 census .........  :-\
No death for Emily Caldwell shortly after the marriage.   :-\

1901 census Blackburn Lancashire

William Caldwell   39   Head
Emily Caldwell 39 Wife
Richard E Caldwell 10 Son
Hilda Caldwell 1 Daughter

Death Blackburn - 1908

William Caldwell 1861 - September 1908  (aged 47 years)
Registration Quarter   Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place   Blackburn, Lancashire.
Volume   8e Page   209

1891 UK Census Harwood, Lancashire.

James Caldwell 67   Head. Widowed.
Ellen Caldwell 23   Daughter. Calico Worker.
Sarah Caldwell   19   Daughter. Machinist.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:745G-R6Z

1881 census Church Street, Harwood. Lancashire.

James Caldwell 54 Head (deceased 1898)
Emma Caldwell 21 Daughter (married Nathan Brindle 1886)
William Caldwell   18   Son  (deceased 1908)
Clara Caldwell 16 Daughter  (deceased Dec1881)
Ellen Caldwell 14 Daughter  (married Thomas Crowther 1892)
Sarah Caldwell 8 Daughter  (married Thomas Davis 1897)
Mary Caldwell 52 Wife (deceased 1890)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27G-6Q9L

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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #79 on: Thursday 22 February 24 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Been offline today and see you've been busy!

You're certainly right about having unearthed a ton of info, mostly by you, so thanks as it's much appreciated.  I have sent the link to this thread to my DNA connection in the USA hoping he'll talk to his family and it might trigger some recollections/family anecdotes.

Also a good point about pursuing the various Brown connections - milliners and Kathleen Browne.

Yep, still a lot of stones to turn over.  Need another wet day!

I've just put together a timeline that I think has most points - might be some errors as I copied info though:
Ivy Isabel Caldwell
1909 Oct - earliest sighting - in the school records as acting in a play.
1910 Aug newspaper reports her 'indefinite stay at the home of Miss Florence McDowell'
1911 finished school with a scholarship honours - it was a 2-year course in prep for uni, but she didn't appear to go to uni.
1911-13 various mentions in social columns - visiting Miss Ruth Earhart in Chrisham and Miss Ann Grimes of Crawfordsville
1913 Chicago city directory shows mother Janet J (Brown and Connor) Caldwell  - 15 E Washington - they are listed as milliners
Street Address   h 413 Wrightwood av, Chicago, Illinois, USA
1914 Apr 25 Ivy married Robert Goodman (in Chicago, Cook, Illinois) so became naturalized on marriage to a US citizen.
1920 census claims born March 1891 and immigrated 1893 but we know dates aren't necessarily correct
1930 USA census shows Ivy C Goodman, 39, immigration 1893 re-stated, and Robert G, 58, born in USA, employer, lumber company, family living on a farm. States both their ages at first marriage 24. [married 1914 so born 1881]. [He had previously married Pernetta Schmid and had a daughter]. Also Owen F, 14 and Robert, 11.
1930 Oct 8 divorced. Robert jnr to live with mother. John (presumably Owen F) to live with father.

1933 Jun 23 married Raymond J Plunkett in Cook, Illinois.
1940 census with Raymond J Plunkett, and his stepsons Oliver [sic] and Robert B J Goodman
1964 Nov 17 Raymond Plunkett dies
1996 Dec 14 Ivy Caldwell Plunkett died in California.
___________
Jane Isabell Caldwell (nee Brown)
1913 Chicago city directory shows Janet J (Brown and Connor) Caldwell  - 15 E Washington - they are listed as milliners. Street Address   h 413 Wrightwood av, Chicago, Illinois, USA
1916 Apr 1 marries dentist James Edward Weirick (Jane born 1872 England.  Aged 44 years.)
1930 Aug from Tilbury to USA last address in UK 199 Piccadilly, London. age 58. Line above shows Albert Stedman same last address, buyer, age 42 - is this millinery business? Or just coincidence as probably a common address for people about to embark?
1930 Aug arrival NY from London, USA naturalised by marriage 1916, US address St Paul, Minnesota. Age 58
1932 Aug arrival Soton of James Weirick 70 retired dentist not accompanied by wife, going to Hampton Longe [sic], Monkshorton, Ashford, Kent. This is W A Wayland's address. Further down the page there is Ganet, 61, accompanied by husband, going to London. Is this Janet?
1936 May Liverpool to USA  Last UK address was Woodlands Cottage, Farthing Common, Lyminge  age 60
1938 Oct arrival NY from England. US address Forect (sic) Park, Wausau, Wisconsin age 69
Newspaper report with Ivy Plunkett holding a tea at her home (Ivy's) as Janet spending winter there
[1944 June - Betsey Wayland (nee Wynn) died at Hempton Lodge, Monkhorton, buried in Lewisham]
[1944 Aug - W A Wayland widower married Kathleen Browne (In the 1932 electoral register for his London address, Kathleen was listed as Kathleen Wayland)]
1946 Dec (didn't actually embark) Spton to USA. widow Living at Woodland Cottage
1946 Dec (didn't travel though) NY from Spton widow address Tall Trees, Box 265, Wausau, Wisc age 76
1947 June arrival NY from Soton. widow. Born Liverpool. Visa issued May 5 1947. Country of residence England. Cousin Sir WA Wayland, Monkhorton, Kent. To stay with daughter Mrs Plunkett. age 77
[1950 W A Wayland died]
1960 Mar 23 died after 2 years in hospital

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Re: Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891
« Reply #80 on: Friday 23 February 24 09:12 GMT (UK) »

The marriage certificate for William Caldwell and Jane Brown would be most helpful to help unravelling conundrum.

Still checking out the Caldwell families - Ivy Isobel Caldwell who was a daughter of William Caldwell and Emily Kelly disappears before the 1901 census. 

Meanwhile......William Caldwell (above) had a sister Sarah but it turns out, wasn't this one although there were links to Chicago.  :-\

Discounted another Caldwell family living in Wigan.  Sarah Caldwell married Jesse Stockley in 1902.
There are various passenger lists for her going (and a daughter Amy)  to and fro to Chicago Illinois which looked interesting. Investigate all the USA census in case it showed up any family visitors or  links.

Parents UK address given as 50 Poolstock Lane Wigan is the one the family were listed at on the 1901 census

1910 census  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKCH-Y34

1920 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKCH-Y34

1930 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSTX-PT9

1940 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWYH-LPC

1950 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWYH-LPC

Chicago Tribune
Chicago, Illinois •
Mon, 23 Oct 1967
Page 63

https://www.newspapers.com/article/chicago-tribune/141864328/

Death of Sarah -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MX-PZCY

spouse Jesse

The Daily Calumet
Chicago, Illinois •
Mon, 26 Nov 1945
Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-daily-calumet/141864538/

FIND A GRAVE

Oakridge-Glen Oak Cemetery Hillside, Cook County, Illinois.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/138313140/sarah-stockley

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