Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891

[ValJJJ]

A tree on Ancestry has her birthdate as 29.3.1891 London??  No supporting birth reg on freebmd

That birth date appeared on some US official records so has found its way onto some trees.  I haven't found her either on freeBMD or in the GRO, other than the Settle birth registration with MMN Kelly.

Sometimes she's listed as Ivy Goodman or Plunkett, sometimes Ivy + initial I.  Also Ivy C (for Caldwell).  Isobel may well not have been registered as her middle name.  I think people sometimes acquire middle names as they take their fancy.

[ValJJJ]

Not sure if this has significance - ?? Wrong surname for wife ??


There was a William Caldwell born 1850  Govan, Renfrewshire, Scotland  died Apr-June 1892  Salford, Lancashire. Married to Jane Cowie - June 1850 - St John District, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  Children listed but they don't go as far as Ivy ??

died 30 December 1913 - 6 Suffolk Street Glasgow Scotland

ancestry tree - if you have access to ancestry

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/80809469/person/48522636819/facts

Sandra

Thanks for that, I'll take a good look. 

I don't set much store by her alleged mother's name.  If she really did travel to the US when only 2 years old, and if her father died young, she could easily mix up names or just invent something for official forms.

[ValJJJ]

1900 census St Marys Orphanage (From Page 11 to 45 Inclusive) Court Street Dover Ward 4, Strafford, New Hampshire.

Margaret Calwell (Caldwell) born May 1885 - inmate.

BMD

Births Registered  Jun 1885 
Caldwell    Margaret        Salford    8d   157

1891 Salford Lancashire

William Caldwell   40 Janet Caldwell   40
Jane Caldwell   18
William Caldwell   14 George Caldwell   12
David Caldwell   8 Margaret Caldwell   6
Frederick Caldwell   4 Sarah Caldwell   1

Sandra

Now that looks promising doesn't it?  I had wondered if she'd been shipped abroad via the workhouse and Maria Rye type people if destitute, hence pretty vague about her origins.

[*Sandra*]

Where are all these children in 1901 ?

Did Ivy go to Canada as a home child under a different name ?

Sandra

[ValJJJ]

That's the next step - find those children 10 years later.

This query began because I have a DNA link with someone in the US who is the great grandson of Ivy.  So it seemed the simplest to discover Ivy's origins to see if anything obvious popped up.  But nothing's simple is it?  The link could well be on his paternal side instead, but that's even harder since his father was adopted.

So I now know what to do with the next bad weather day (or two). 

[ValJJJ]

I've had a quick look at some of the children who marry later in the Salford/Manchester area, giving William Caldwell bricklayer as their father.  So they didn't go abroad en masse.

[maddys52]

maddys52 - when you found the report of her divorce from Robert B Goodman (who was a lot older than her), was there mention of any previous marriage of his and a daughter, or just his two sons with Ivy?  I ask because there is a Robert B Goodman marrying a Pernetta E Schmid (her father was from Prussia and a doctor practising in New York; mother a musician/music teacher) on 7 May 1901 in White Plains. In various censuses she is shown as born in the US (New York). In 1900 Federal census shows born July 1871, and 28 yrs old. In 1905 she was at her family's address with a 2 year old daughter, of Pernetta E Goodman.  She's with the Schmids in 1910, married. In 1920 she is with the Schmids and shown as divorced.

Just wondering as in Ivy's ex-husband's marriage record to Dorothy O Thomas 5 Jun 1942 in Iron, Michigan when he was 69, a lumberman, states he was married once, not twice. Dorothy was a secretary, 37, not previously married.

Unfortunately no mention of any previous marriage or earlier children. I can't attach the image here, but if you would like to see a copy, send my a pm.

[*Sandra*]

There are snippets of newspaper cutting which mention Miss Ivy Caldwell or Ivy Isabel Caldwell but always "of Chicago"

This earlier one was interesting.

The Woodstock Sentinel
Woodstock, Illinois 
Thu, 4 Aug 1910 Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-woodstock-sentinel/141682497/

Sandra

[maddys52]

That's interesting Sandra.

There is this Florence McDOWELL at Woodstock, Illinois in 1910, mother Susan has a couple of boarders (not Ivy CALDWELL though) 
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MK6W-Y1N