Birth of Ivy CALDWELL abt 1891

[ValJJJ]

William Caldwell obtained his second mate certification in 1885, first mate in 1887, and master in 1889.  He might have been master of the Oceanic in 1900, if I could find the dratted journey! 

Presumably he continued his seagoing career which would explain why Janet Caldwell was at her half brother's home in Birkinhead in the 1901 census with no Mr Caldwell listed.  Wonder where Ivy was?

Timeline is taking time.  More work on it tomorrow, and searches on Scotland's People site too.

[*Sandra*]

Yes, I found the Browns when I discovered David Miller Brown way back.
Very old stone at Carlton.

Sandra

[ValJJJ]

More on the newspaper report of Mr and Mrs Caldwell, after marrying, sailing for England in June 1900 on the Oceanic of the Dominion line.  I can't find that sailing, but as you say, if William Caldwell was crew, they wouldn't be on a passenger list.  They would be on a crew list though? Or one crew and one passenger.

According to the Ships List website, there were two different Oceanic ships.  One built 1870 for the White Star Line and scrapped 1896 in Belfast, and one built 1899 for the White Star Line, with the maiden voyage 6/9/1899 Liverpool to Queenstown (now Cobh), Ireland and Boston, continuing with this route until 1907.  The Ships List also has info on the different sales, ownerships and combination of lines in this era, and it seems that the Dominion Line name continued to be used, but their fleet list doesn't show Oceanic there.  There is a route for one of the lines Liverpool-Queenstown-Quebec though.

I also thought I'd be able to find the border crossing from the US to Canada by Janet Brown and her brother for the wedding, but not on Ancestry. There only seems to be the reverse journey for 1900. But I can't find John M Brown returning.
 

[ValJJJ]

I still haven't found a link between Emma Brown nee Woods (1835-1881), born Liverpool - mother of Janet and grandmother of Ivy - and Ada Matilda Isabel Wayland nee Woods (1839-1916), born Liverpool.  Other than the name Isabel that keeps popping up everywhere. And perhaps Edward Woods was father of both women?  There is a GRO ref for Ada Matilda Woods 1840  M Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 20  Page 920 MMN Jones.  No other Ada or Matilda Woods registered. Emma was born before the GRO records so no help there.  There's an Edward Woods married Eleanor Jones in 1865 registered West Derby.

In 1878 at St George Hanover Square, Ada Matilda Woods married William Robinson Wayland (variously described as civil servant and gentleman).  They already had a number of children together including William Abraham Wayland (later Sir) who is stated as the cousin of Janet Brown/Caldwell on one of the passenger lists. His first wife was Charlotte Harriett Croft Ryland, who died 1883.  Divorce or bigamy?

I have a lot on W A Wayland but not the original info on either of his father's marriages, just transcripts, with no father listed for Ada Matilda Woods. We do have the possible Edward Woods connection that you found but differences in occupation, although his status may have been raised for the purposes of a marriage cert?

The DNA link has made me wonder if it was his wife who was actually Janet's cousin, but as in those days references were made to the man of the house. Although nothing is leaping out at me.  Or course the DNA link could be indirect so these connections, so while interesting, leading me up the garden path. The link is about 75cM for me and double that for my sister, so it's likely a few generations back.  But DNA links is a whole different thread!

[*Sandra*]

Border Crossing USA to Canada on Ancestry mainly covers 1908 - 1935 - Not all immigrants going  into Canada were registered. Some people may have entered the country through non-port cities or when ports were close.  There were loads of crossing points, unmanned into Canada previous to 1908.

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Going down the Brown avenue...............

Matilda Ada Woods married William Wayland.

1841 census Dale Street, Liverpool. Lancashire

Edwd Woods 30 Puiblican.
Isabella Woods 40 born Scotland.
Emma Woods 5 born Liverpool.
Isaabel Woods 8 born Liverpool.
Matilda Woods   4 born Liverpool.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ21-L8L

1861 census Bootle Lancashire

Isabella Woods   60   Head.
Emma Woods 26 Daughter.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ21-L8L

Marriage of Emma Woods - (not everything is perfect  father Edward was a solicitor !!)

Emma Woods - 20 March 1866 Bootle St Mary Lancashire. Spinster. - Full Age
Father   Edward Woods - Spouse David Miller Brown. Widower. Father John Brown. Merchant.
Clerk in the Masonic Office. Town Hall. Liverpool.

Liverpool Mercury, etc.
Liverpool, Merseyside, England •
Thu, 21 Jun 1866
Page 3

https://www.newspapers.com/article/liverpool-mercury-etc/141972424/

1871 census 195 Beacon Lane. Liverpool.

David M Brown 47 Head. Accountant.
Emma Brown   37   Wife
Henry G Brown 7 Son  (probably from first marriage of David)
Janet J Brown 3 Daughter (age slightly out  )
David E Brown 2 Son
Sarah Jones 20

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6M-M5S

BROWN, JANET  ISABEL     WOODS 
GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 195

BROWN, DAVID  EDWARD     WOODS 
GRO Reference: 1868  D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 433

Sandra

Before I throw my notes away - a few snippets to ponder.

Refreshing my memory of what I had written on the Brown family - do recall there was a marriage in Liverpool - checking back it was 19 December 1931 -    Isabella Aris - Spouse    Edward Woods  (worth investigating)
Appeared in Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 Bishops transcripts and  Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935 - Edward Woods - Bachelor - Isabella Aris - Spinster - married by license.

There was a city directory entry for Isabella Aris in 1827 31 Mount Pleasant. Liverpool.

The name Isabella so prominent - Also noted a birth for another Isabella - sister of David Miller Brown - 16 March 1816 to John Brown and Janet Skinner.

Another marriage worth investigation might have been Isabella Woods to Handel Moore 12 Feb 1857 - Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935
Father of Isabella given as Edwards Woods - looks like Attorney maybe ?  That would be another coincidence/consistency !!!! Residence was Edge Hill Liverpool.  One of the witnesses was E Woods - could that be Emma Woods her sister.  More food for thought.


Sandra

[ValJJJ]

Just about to post this when your message arrived.

A David Woods married an Isabella Aris 19 Dec 1831 in Liverpool.  Isabella Woods
died 1876. Burial record shows 9 Lomond Rd - that rings a bell with Emma Woods - her census address or death address, will have to check.

[*Sandra*]

Just about to post this when your message arrived.

A David Woods married an Isabella Aris 19 Dec 1831 in Liverpool.  Isabella Woods
died 1876. Burial record shows 9 Lomond Rd - that rings a bell with Emma Woods - her census address or death address, will have to check.

Isabella Aris married Edward Woods.  I should put the death notice on for Isabella.


Sandra

[*Sandra*]

To tie the loose ends up  and confirm this was the correctly identified  marriage

Liverpool Mercury, etc.
Liverpool, Merseyside
Sat, 13 May 1876
Page 3

https://www.newspapers.com/article/liverpool-mercury-etc/142724388/

Sandra

Added

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/233902653/isabella-woods