Hale family (shoemakers) - who were the parents of Mary born Brighton 1838?

[rosie99]

Hopefully something will crop up as more goes online. 

Rosie 

[jonwarrn]

Another baptism at St Bartholomew By the Exchange!
21 June 1857. Born 28th May 1857
Henry
Parents Joseph + Sarah Hale
Abode 78 Milton Street
Father a Shoemaker

Birth registration
HALE, HENRY       
Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIAMS 
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in EAST LONDON  Volume 01C  Page 40

An outside possibility in the same district as the three boys
Birth
HALE, FRANCES       
Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIAMS 
GRO Reference: 1843  S Quarter in EAST LONDON UNION  Volume 02  Page 212

Death
HALE, FRANCES       
Age at Death (in years): 0 
GRO Reference: 1844  J Quarter in EAST LONDON UNION  Volume 02  Page 16

Don't forget you can now get instant digital images from the GRO of any of the registrations (births / deaths) mentioned in the thread for just £2.50!

[jonwarrn]

A couple of marriages
11 February 1872, St. John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Thomas Hale, 20, Bachelor, Printer, father Joseph Hale, Shoemaker
+
Jane Eliza Ward, 18, Spinster, father John Ward, Packing-case maker
Residence for both Waterloo Rd.
Witnesses John Ward, Elizabeth Shelford

22 August 1886, St. John the Baptist, Hoxton
William Hale, 39, Bachelor, Printsellers assistant, residence 53 Buttesland St, father Joseph Hale, Shoemaker
+
Grace Mary France, 29, Spinster, residence St Botolph Bishopsgate, No father named
Witnessed by William Baker, Alice Baker

Thomas and Jane seem to be in Islington in 1881. He has a different occupation.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-N6S1

William and Grace are in Bethnal Green in 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:316S-QMM

[jonwarrn]

Also this birth?
HALE, EDWARD       
Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIAMS 
GRO Reference: 1859  S Quarter in EAST LONDON  Volume 01C  Page 23

Is this them in 1881 in St Giles Cripplegate?
Susan Hale, 67, William Hale, 34, Edward Hale, 21
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-7WKP

I haven't checked this out at all.

[jonwarrn]

Ancestry suggest Susan Heale, 46, and family in St Giles Cripplegate in 1861

[jonwarrn]

Can't find them on FS in 1861
Here they are in Cripplegate in 1871
Susan Hale 57
Thomas Hale 17
Henry Hale 13
Edward Hale 11
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDT-91S

Hales on ancestry

[jonwarrn]

Re Hales in Brighton in 1838

My 2 x great-great grandmother, Mary was, according to her birth certificate, born on 5 May 1838 at 12, Riding School Lane, Brighton, Sussex. Father Joseph Hale, Shoemaker; Mother Susan Hale formerly Williams.

Well we have a very interesting triple baptism in Brighton, 29 July 1838, not long after Mary was born.
John Williams
Sarah
Mary
Parents Williams + Mary Hale
Abode Boss's Gardens
Father a Shoemaker

Image on FamilySearch (free, you need to be registered and signed in)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XHTS-M65

The register does say Williams, rather than William, for father's name.

Interesting answer to a query about Boss's Gardens here
https://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/topic/boss39s-gardens

It was right by the Riding School (owned by George Boss) and the aforementioned Riding Horse Lane, where Mary was born.

[jonwarrn]

Images of the 1841 census for Brighton on FamilySearch
Piece 1121 Book 1 Folio 32
Riding School Lane (spelt Rideing here)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-13GL-NY12

There are three occupied houses on the page (22) starting with Thomas Wight, 45, and family
Seem to be six houses marked up as unoccupied.

On the next page (23), there is just one more house in RSL.
Then straight on to Boss Gardens (should be Boss's)
Here on the the next image on FS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-B3GL-NTDH

That's 10 houses in Riding Horse Lane. Not twelve plus!
The man himself, George Boss, is a few images on (second bottom of page 33) in Edward Street
George Boss, 62, Riding Master
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-M3GL-JH7

[jonwarrn]

So we now have much more information about Susan / Sarah from the census
1861
8 Brackley Street, St Giles Cripplegate
Susan Heale Head Widow 46 Shoe Closer, born St Clements
William Heale Son 12 Errand Boy
Tomas (sic) Heale Son 9
Henry Heale Son 3
Edward Heale Son 1
The boys all born London Cripplegate

The other main pay website has mucked them up completely, which means they appear as McDonalds on FamilySearch! Tomas misread as James, and they transcribed Henry as Francis!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-9T91