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Offline Neale1961

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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 08 February 24 05:03 GMT (UK) »

I have Eliza marrying Robert Earwaker on 11/24/1849 in Cheriton.

That marriage looks correct.
Eliza and Robert had three children;
•   James R Earwaker b 1849 Cheriton (who emigrated to Denver, USA) - Married Sarah Creasey -   Note - Their son Robert was adopted, so there will not be any DNA link.

•   Henry Earwaker b 1851 Cheriton – Married Susan Horlock in 1881 Dorset.

•   Mary Earwaker b 1854 Cheriton – Married Harry Pilkington Colebrook in 1876 East Cowes

There is no sign of Eliza (nee Bushell) in the 1861 census. Had she died?

Robert married a second time in 1863 to a widow Eliza SHETTLE (nee LEACH)

So, in theory you might find DNA matches to descendants of Henry Earwaker or Mary (Earwaker) Colebrook.
It will depend on whether their offspring have done DNA tests which they have then posted online with family trees for comparison.
Henry appears to have had 5 children – all living at time of 1911 census
Mary appears to have had 10 children – 7 of whom were still living in 1911.


Who was your grandfather?
Where and when was he born?

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 08 February 24 12:28 GMT (UK) »
I'm glad I got the Earwaker thing correct. I spent a lot of time on that.

I do have a couple of questions about Henry and James but I need to send that another time as I am working today and will be catching the train into Boston in a bit. I need to organize my thoughts.

I did manage to get the names of all 10 of Mary kids.
There are two in her line who apparently had a terrible tragedy. I found two daughters who both died on 12/26/2015. Patricia Mary who married a Hunter and Susan who married an Emery. I believe they all lived on the Island of Wight. I did not find out what happened but how sad.

Although I haven't finished all of these people, there was one person I reached out to who verified his parents but wasn't a match. Although he did not say if he was tested but if he had a big tree, I imagined he was.

As far as Robert Earwaker's second wife, she was a brief point of discussion with the woman from Australia who recommended this site.
She had her as Leach as well and I can understand why because of the 1851 census.
But on her marriage certificate to Robert, she lists her Father as James Jarvis.
I did not check out her first marriage certificate as I know her line will not be a match.

Also, if you look at the 1861 census, she lived next door to Robert.

So not sure which Grandfather.
Lionel Loxdale was born 11/7/1878 in Bermuda to Eliza and Thomas Loxdale.

Charles Henry Davis said he was born on 11/6/1881. Interesting in that Lionel's sister Rosina was born in 1881 and the date is just one day apart. Keep it simple.
He said his parents were Henry Davis and Josephine Adams from Northfield, Vermont.
Not one iota of proof after 50 years of searching and not one DNA match.




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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 08 February 24 22:28 GMT (UK) »
As far as Robert Earwaker's second wife, she was a brief point of discussion with the woman from Australia who recommended this site.
She had her as Leach as well and I can understand why because of the 1851 census.
But on her marriage certificate to Robert, she lists her Father as James Jarvis.
I did not check out her first marriage certificate as I know her line will not be a match.

Eliza Leach / Shettle / Earwaker was born 1819 Cheriton – illegitimate daughter of Hannah Leach.
It is quite possible she did not know who her father was, and just made up a name for her father on her marriage.

In the 1841 census she is Eliza Leach.

When Eliza Leach married John Shettle in 1845 – her father was James Leach (labourer)
(2 children born. John Shettle died in Nov 1850)

When Eliza Shettle widow married Robert Earwker, - her father was James Jarvis (Labourer)


(I did not post that detail earlier, because, as you say, she is not relevant to your search.)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 08 February 24 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Puka, Thanks for your further information. So I now see and understand the connection between the Loxdale family and the Bushell family. It became all very complicated for you, with changes in name. You have done well to get this far!

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In 1859 Eliza HAMBLEN (aka Eliza BUSHELL) married George JERRED, and had a son (George) to him in 1866. Have you sighted that marriage certificate? I don't know yet what became of George her husband.

MARRIAGE
23 Nov 1859 Southampton marriage of Eliza HAMBLEN to George JERRED
George JERRED, age 23, single. Father John JERRED
Eliza HAMBLEN, age 19, single. Father James HAMBLEN

Note 1 : her age is out by a couple of years
Note 2: she is going by her step-father's surname.

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2nd MARRIAGE
15 July 1868 at St Mark, Gillingham, Kent
Bride: Eliza BUSHELL, 26, spinster, abode Beacon Close Lane
   Father – Henry Bushell – occupation Smith
Groom: Thomas LOXDALE , 26, bachelor, Sapper, abode Brompton Barracks.
   Father – Henry Loxdale -  occupation Printer
Witnesses – Harriet HAMBLIN and Robert BRUCE

Note 1 : Harriet Hamblin is a witness, and also Harriett’s soon to be husband Robert Bruce, who was also in the military.
Note 2: Eliza names her father as Henry. (That is worth exploring further, I think)

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 08 February 24 23:08 GMT (UK) »
Children of Eliza and Thomas LOXDALE
-   They had a son named Thomas Henry Loxdale in June 1869 baptised in Gillingham Kent, but that child died (age 5) in Jan 1875 in Dover Kent.

-   Daughter Clara Henrietta Eliza Loxdale born 1871 (registered in Elham) – she died age 1, in 1872.

-   Daughter Rhoda Alice Loxdale was born Sept 1874 and baptised at the Garrison church at Dover Castle.  Thomas was at this time Corporal of the 2nd company Royal Engineers.

After 1875 the Loxdales with army were in Bermuda.
I see three children born in Bermuda – Alfred 1876, Lionel 1878, and Rosina abt 1881.

When Thomas Loxdale was pensioned in Oct 1880, he was a Sergeant with the R. Engineers. He died in Bermuda on 5 Dec 1880, and is buried in the garrison cemetery.


I am assuming you already had this information, but just posted in case.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #14 on: Friday 09 February 24 11:17 GMT (UK) »
Mary (Bushell) HAMBLEN also had another daughter:
Sarah Mary (aka Sarah Martha) HAMBLEN born 1861 (Poplar Middlesex / Kent)
She is with Eliza Loxdale in the 1871 census. – described as Sister-in-law

Her birth registration:
HAMBLEN, SARAH  MARY                             Mother - BUSHELL 
GRO Reference: 1861  D Quarter in POPLAR UNION  Volume 01C  Page 597

She married Henry Alexander GWIN (Quarter master / sergeant with Royal Engineers)

MARRIAGE
10 Oct 1882 Christchurch, Luton, Kent
Sarah Martha HAMBLIN, 21, spinster, abode Luton,
          Father – James Hamblin, blacksmith
Henry Alexander GWIN, 26, bachelor, Foreman of Works – military. Abode New Brompton
     Father – Alexander GWIN, colonial service
Witnesses: Mary Hamblin and T. Hodges.


1891 census the Gwin family is in Newport, Isle of Wight (Albany Barracks)
1901 census, Sarah/ Mary is a widow, in Portland, Sth Dorset.
1911 census – still in Dorset. Showing she had 8 children, 6 of whom are still living.
(I haven’t looked into any of the children – will leave that to you.)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #15 on: Friday 09 February 24 16:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi Neale,

Sarah is on my list but thank you.


Two things though if you are so inclined. I needed to organize, and this is what I have that is very confusing to me.

So yes, James Earwaker moved to Denver, CO and married Sarah Creasey from Detroit, Michigan on 1/14/1886.

His obituary said he had one son, Robert James Earwaker and one Grandchild, Roberta.

He married Viola Bartow on 7/6/1921.
Robert died on 6/1/1985 in Denver.

(Roberta married Sloan Grover but died in 1947 at ~ 22).

Next up is James' brother Henry, baptized 7/21/1851.
He married Susan Horlock on 8/2/1880.

I have their first born as Robert James Henry Earwaker born Q3 1881 and baptized 9/25/1881.
He married Jean McClean Armstrong on 8/20/1924 in Hamilton, Wentworth, Ontario.
He is listed as 43 and she is listed as 20. 43 fits with the 1881 birth date.

The marriage certificate lists him as Henry James Earwaker and Parents are Henry James Earwaker and Susan Horlock.
It also lists both Father and son as being born in Denver.

However, it's Uncle James who relocated to Denver and James' son Robert was born in Denver.

His death certificate dated 3/19/1935, lists him as Harry with Henry Earwaker and Susan Horlock as his parents.

For the rest of Henry's kids I have:
Harry/Henry
Percy
Olive
Mabel
Edward

How did you find out that Robert was adopted and I was trying to figure out if that figured into the above conundrum?

The next question involves Eliza, Mary Bushel's daughter not sister.
Eliza married George Jerred born ~ 1937 in Whiteparish, Wiltshire, England. Parents were John and Mary Jerred.
They married on 11/23/1959. On this marriage certificate, Eliza lists herself as Eliza Hamblen.

In the 1861 census, they are living with Mary and James "Humblen" and Jerred is spelled Jurred.
Eliza and George had Geroge Henry James on 4/6/1866.

One of my other new found, cousins who lives in England, helped me try and find out what happened to George Jerred. He disappeared off the face of the earth.

When, Eliza married Thomas Loxdale, she is listed as Eliza Bushell and a spinster.

Any ideas how to find out what happened to George?

I had mentioned that Lionel Loxdale moved to Halifax with an older half brother and that was George Henry. At some point George Henry changed to Loxdale and most places, even his death, list him as George Henry Loxdale.
George Henry stayed in Haliflax and had 12 children. Of the 12, only 2 had children. Several accidental deaths.

I thank you,

Puka






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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #16 on: Friday 09 February 24 21:42 GMT (UK) »
[This is just a time line for reference]

Eliza HAMBLEN marriage to George JERRED  23 Nov 1859 - Southampton

Daughter: Mary Ann Eliza JARRED baptised 28 Sept 1862 in Gillingham, Kent. Abode New Brompton   (Mary Ann Eliza, age 7, died 14 mar 1870. Burial Grange Rd Cemetery, Gillingham.)

Son: George Henry James JARRED born 6th April 1866. Baptised 23 Sept Chatham. Abode New Brompton.
 (It would be usual for him to take his step-father’s surname, as it seems he probably never knew his real father)

Eliza re-married 15 July 1868 at St Mark, Gillingham to Thomas Loxdale.

On her second marriage Eliza claims she is a spinster and uses the surname Bushell. This makes one suspicious, but why do that? If George had died, we would expect to see that she was a widow. She couldn’t hide that fact anyway, as she was bringing her son to the new marriage. Had she recently discovered the truth about her birth name and father?


I cannot find a convincing death for George Jerred, of the right age, in the right location between 1865 and 1868.  Nor can I see George in subsequent census records. 
I wonder if George died, but his death was not registered, or the name on a burial record has been so poorly written / spelled that it is not easily found.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Searching for ancestor information
« Reply #17 on: Friday 09 February 24 21:46 GMT (UK) »

How did you find out that Robert was adopted and I was trying to figure out if that figured into the above conundrum?


He is recorded on the 1900 census as "adopted son" -born May 1893 in Colorado; parents’ birthplaces unknown.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)