Tracing an illusive Railway employee, London, 1930s

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Believe Agnes Spiers nee' Taylor went on to set up home with a William Abbot (1911 census). Albert(Spiers) recorded as Abbot and 2 siblings.


ABBOTT, BEATRICE  ALICE     TAYLOR 
GRO Reference: 1910  J Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 350


The above can be found without Albert in 1921 census as Abbott

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added info only, Agnes can be found as a widow in 1939 at the same address as per 1921 census.

Possible death of Agnes
Deaths Dec 1959   
ABBOTT    Agnes    83    Birmingham    9c   379

[Ashtone]

Is there a possibility that the Queen's Hotel Albert Spiers (waiter) could be the person who was in the Navy? See Reply #49. The Navy record gives a physical description of the young man.

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Could not wait.

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[mckha489]

24th May !!!! 

[Jool]

There is an interesting Navy record for J/51973 Albert Spiers b 24 May 1900 Birmingham.  It seems he had a liking for jumping ship.  24 May 1900 is a corruption of both birthdays given for the Albert Wilson at Camden 1939.

Good find Sc00p.  Here's the brief transcript for Bob as he doesn't have Ancestry access:

Name  Albert Spiers
Gender  Male
Birth Date   24 May 1900
Birth Place   Birmingham, Warwick
First Service Date   4 Apr 1916
First Ship Served On   Impregnable
Last Service Date   7 Oct 1919
Last Ship Served On   Vivid I
Service Number   J51973

His physical description if it may help:
Height: 5 ft 3.3/4"
Chest: 32"
Hair: light brown
Eyes: blue
Complexion: fair

There is also a record for J/51973 Albert Spiers on the UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972.  If I have interpreted the record correctly (with the help of Google) he had earned the Victory and the British War Medal.  However, the abbreviations F (forfeited) and R (run) are also on this record, I suppose because he jumped ship.

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It appears we could be on the right track with Albert/Alfred. Want to throw this out. There are 2 marriages in Birmingham of an Albert Spiers between 1921-22.

1. Spiers/Turner--can be dismissed.
2. Spiers/Amy Lilian Ellson. Daughter Joan Margaret born 1926. This Amy Lilian Spiers appears in 1939 war register, as a married women with 1 redacted entry below her name but no Albert.
Her dob given as 13.3.1900 but believe she was born 1899 Birmingham.

Both Albert Spiers & Amy Ellson do seem to appear in 1921 census in Birmingham

She may well have remarried in 1960(Ashford)--1939 register indicates Ashford.

Death of an Amy L Ashford Jan 1962 born about 1900

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added: Amy Lilian Spiers appears in 1935 electoral register living with a George Walter Edge in Sparkbrook--as per 1939 register.

George W Edge died 1946 Birmingham

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This marriage certificate would make very interesting reading with regard to father's names, occupations etc.

Marriages Mar 1922 

Ellson    Amy L    Spiers    Birmingham    6d   445    
Spiers    Albert    Ellson    Birmingham    6d   445    

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GRO Index 1922 quarter 1, volume 6d, page 445:

 The entry is located between entries for Birmingham All Saints Hockley (RD: Birmingham) and Aston St Peter & St Paul (RD: Aston).

[MollyC]

From FreeBMD:
Joan Margaret Spiers may have married:
Birmingham 1947  or  Pontypridd 1948

The former seems more likely.

IF SO, a possible son born Birmingham 1950, who may well still be alive.  I have checked deaths FreeBMD/GRO up to 2021.

All the certificates would need checking.

[jonwarrn]

On ancestry

Baptism 24 April 1921, St Barnabas Birmingham
Edward Albert
Parents Albert Sydney + Amy Lillian Ellson
Abode 7 Woodbine Grove Ruston St
Father a Waiter

Bit of deception going on there.

Birth reg
ELLSON, EDWARD  ALBERT     
Mother's Maiden Surname:  —
GRO Reference: 1921  J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 615