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Frances Moss born abt 1823 London
« on: Monday 05 February 24 19:16 GMT (UK) »
Seeking information about Frances Moss who married John Charles ( Granhangen) in 1857. Went to Australia about 1864. Went to New Zealand and I think married again.  Would like to connect the dots as to went to New Zealand.
Udall  Isle of Wight/Hants?Dorset
Streeton  Croxton Kerrial, Leicestershire
Hinton Sutton Veny Wiltshire
George Pembrokeshire

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Re: Frances Moss born abt 1823 London
« Reply #1 on: Monday 05 February 24 23:35 GMT (UK) »
Hello lin-james

I think you possibly have the wrong approximate year of birth for Frances MOSS.  ???

She seems much more likely to have been born (London) between 1838 - 1841.  (I'll check that further for you).
Her marriage to John CHARLES in January 1857 only shows that both bride and groom were of full age.     Her father's names is given a Jacob MOSS - occupation jeweller.

There is a baptism of a Frances MOSES* at St John, Bethnal Green, Middlesex, on 12 May 1844 - parents Sarah and Jacob MOSES (a jeweller) residing at 6 King Street (Commercial Road ?) who is possibly the Frances MOSS who later married John CHARLES  ???
[  Note :  the baptism record doesn't state if child is an infant or older. ]

Further, there is a New Zealand marriage of a Frances CHARLES ... and the New Zealand death of a woman (1899) which closely matches a "Frances" born c. 1838.
I'll post further details shortly for this.

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Re: Frances Moss born abt 1823 London
« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 February 24 23:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Here is a notice of the marriage of Frances CHARLES ... which took place in Canterbury, NZ, 1875.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18751228.2.8

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Re: Frances Moss born abt 1823 London
« Reply #3 on: Monday 05 February 24 23:42 GMT (UK) »
... and notice of death for Frances HAMILTON in 1899.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18990126.2.33

[I'll return to this with further info ... but meantime there is a listing at Findagrave.com for her burial at Avonside Cemetery, Christchurch, Canterbury, NZ  if you wish to seek that out.  ]

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Re: Frances Moss born abt 1823 London
« Reply #4 on: Monday 05 February 24 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Probate file for Frances HAMILTON of Linwood (Christchurch) - Widow  :

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE80827143

... some 30 + pages here ... I haven't looked through them yet.   ;)

   ~   Lu


Added :    Probate file for David Wilson HAMILTON (d. 1887) ... [ husband of FRANCES (formerly CHARLES).   He left his estate to her. ]  :   
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE69018264

Again a very lengthy document (80 + pages) but just adding in case you need for reference.

It does seem that Frances (formerly CHARLES) had no issue.    [ Her Will mentions only her siblings and nieces.     I found nothing in Birth indexes that suggests she had children. ]

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Re: Frances Moss born abt 1823 London
« Reply #5 on: Monday 05 February 24 23:58 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: lin-james on Monday 05 February 24 19:16 GMT (UK)

....  Went to Australia about 1864.

Yes, the year is correct.   ;)

Unassisted Immigration :  Passengers to New South Wales - November 1864

Vessel :  "Egmont" 
They are listed as crew members >

John CHARLES - steward - aged 30 years ( bc 1834 )  - native place :   Looks like "London" (but UK census 1861 seems to indicate he was born outside of UK ... so perhaps placename is "Leiden" or somesuch ??

Frances CHARLES - stewardess - 25 years ( bc  1839 ) - native place :  England

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Re: Frances Moss born abt 1823 London
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 06 February 24 00:59 GMT (UK) »
1841 census St George East Middlesex King Street
Jacob Moses 40 Jeweller (not born in county)
Sarah Moses 26 (not born in county)
Rosa 12 (born in county)
Frances 5 (born in county)
Michel (male) 3 (born in county)
Sarah 1 (born in county)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Frances Moss born abt 1823 London
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 06 February 24 01:12 GMT (UK) »
?Possible Birth registration
MOSES, FRANCES                  mother - PHILLIPS 
GRO Reference: 1837  S Quarter in OF THE CITY OF LONDON UNION  Volume 02  Page 90

Added later - No i don’t think that is correct now.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Frances Moss born abt 1823 London
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 06 February 24 01:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi Neale

... my thoughts about birth of Frances  ;)

GRO
MOSES - Frances - 1843 - J Quarter - Saint Luke, Middlesex
Mother's maiden surname :   SALOMANS

  also this   >  >

GRO
MOSES - Sarah Cealin?** - 1845 - St Lukes, Middlesex
MMS =  SALOMANS
**  Shown as "Cecilia" on another record

[  I just mention this Sarah MOSES because have since found that the Frances who died in NZ had a sister named Sarah who was mentioned in her Will.    Still trying to track this Sarah in NZ ... and other family members who might also have lived here.  ]
Added :   MOSES - Rosa -dau - 12 years (dau of Jacob MOSES - as shown 1841 UK census) .    Rosa ("my sister") also mentioned in Will of Frances HAMILTON :

Frances - 23 - (married) and Sarah (dau of Jacob MOSES)  appear on 1861 census (Tower Hamlets) along with CHARLES*, Granhangen -  26 -  (son-in-law of Joseph MOSES ) :  Joseph MOSES at this time has a wife "Charlotte aged 60" )   :   *  Presumably husband of Frances - who is also known as "John CHARLES" (married January 1857 -  His father : Granhangen - shown on marriage cert.)     

     ~  Lu
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