Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing

[willsy]

***bugbear

Yes it was the electoral roll you mentioned

[Annie65115]

I found this link:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ford-and-fuhrer/

I have no idea if this is a reliable source or not though.

[jaywit]

I found this link:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ford-and-fuhrer/

I have no idea if this is a reliable source or not though.

Well it looks well researched and it wouldn't surprise me if it was correct, I think especially before Pearl Harbor the USA wasn't on the side of the UK if the truth was known.

[joger]

The article attached to the painting says that after the civil ceremony in London they had another wedding ceremony in France, a religious ceremony?

I don't know for sure but if it was a catholic ceremony wouldn't the church want to know what religion Julia was?

Well I remind  you that Maurice was a protestant ( see my preceding posts), if Julia was anything else than protestant , no way for a religious mariage in these days.

[melba_schmelba]

The article attached to the painting says that after the civil ceremony in London they had another wedding ceremony in France, a religious ceremony?

I don't know for sure but if it was a catholic ceremony wouldn't the church want to know what religion Julia was?

Well yes, but if she had gone to the lengths of changing her name in an unofficial way to avoid anti-semitism (no deed poll etc.), I doubt she would suddenly admit to having been born into a Jewish family just because a priest asked her. Also she could have been baptised at some point publically or privately.

[jaywit]

Melba Don't forget Julia didn't change her surname just for a stage name her mother had changed her and her children's surname when Julia was a child.

[joger]

Melba ... said  : to avoid anti-semitism ( no deed poll...) .
We are talking about England and France  : full citizenship for the jews in France in 1791 and 1858 in England .
Moreover we are talking about a couple marrying in the twenties in England and maybe in the twenties ( or later ) in France . In those days , like nowadays ,the priest did not only ask if you were catholic , or the minister if you were a protestant ,before marrying a couple, they wanted a proof such as a baptism certificate.

Still , I agree that Julia might have converted .

 Be careful and please do not guess too much about this story. This couple have descendants who may not appreciate you doing this . If anyone is really interested in it why not try to ask the descendants ?
At least one of them is publicly mentionned in the snippets I posted.

[melba_schmelba]

Melba ... said  : to avoid anti-semitism ( no deed poll...) .
We are talking about England and France  : full citizenship for the jews in France in 1791 and 1858 in England .
Moreover we are talking about a couple marrying in the twenties in England and maybe in the twenties ( or later ) in France . In those days , like nowadays ,the priest did not only ask if you were catholic , or the minister if you were a protestant ,before marrying a couple, they wanted a proof such as a baptism certificate.

Still , I agree that Julia might have converted .

I am not sure if you are implying by Jews having full rights, there was no anti-semitism in either France or England? There are many instances of anti-semitism in both countries I can quote  from the Dreyfus affair in the 1890s to the Battle of Cable Street in London in 1936. I have a lot of experience researching British Jewish families, and I can say well after 1858 Jews still changed their names (many such announcements in the London Gazette for example). As an actress, you would not only be up against the potential anti-semitism of your employers or colleagues, you would be up against that of your audience. I am sure in many cases Jewish actors and actresses were advised to change their names, indeed this happened in Hollywood right up to the 1960s. In this article in the New York Herald, 2nd November, 1921, it states 'a further ceremony under the French law will take place tomorrow in Paris..

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bd6t53111d/f1.item.r=(prOx:%20%22dollfus%22%2020%20%22julia%22).zoom

Le Gaulois, 4th November, states a religious marriage was performed at the Reformed Church on the 'Rue Cortambert' (Paris)

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5388674/f2.item.r=(prOx:%20%22dollfus%22%2020%20%22julia%22)

Be careful and please do not guess too much about this story. This couple have descendants who may not appreciate you doing this . If anyone is really interested in it why not try to ask the descendants ?
At least one of them is publicly mentionned in the snippets I posted.

I don't think that in today's France, discovering your grandmother or great grandmother had Jewish origins is going to be a particularly unusual or shocking thing.

[joger]

Great find in gallica!
 
I agree with you about what you said concerning antisemitism .

All I said was : in the twenties in France and England jews had the right to vote, and I thought you suggested they had not. And I still believe that guessing the motivations of a living person's grand-mother could hurt her ( particularly if you do not guess correctly).

Have a good day.