Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing

[mckha489]

Can anyone find these girls?
The only Levy Collett marriage I can see is of Mark & Mary in 1861  I can see them in 1871 with pre marriage children (second wife?) but Hannah in that family is already 16.

LEVY, HANNAH       COLLETT 
GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 64
   LEVY, RACHEL       COLLETT 
GRO Reference: 1865  J Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 67
   LEVY, SARAH       COLLETT 
GRO Reference: 1863  J Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 75
 

[jaywit]

Interesting reading one of the Ancestry trees has Louis's obit.

Mentions sister Mrs Elizabeth James.

[jaywit]

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-boston-globe-obituary-for-louis-jose/41755338/

Louis's obit

[Annie65115]

The obit says that his family had been dealing in antiques since 1702. Well Joseph Joseph was a butcher, so was there maybe a history of trading on his mother's side?

[jaywit]

Well John Joseph who we think was Joseph's father was a Dealer in1891.

I suspect 'Antique ' was an euphemism for second hand.

[Annie65115]

I have a friend whose grandfather was a "trader in exotic imports" in London ---

he had a barrow selling fruit and veg! 

[Annie65115]

Well John Joseph who we think was Joseph's father was a Dealer in1891.

I suspect 'Antique ' was an euphemism for second hand.

I thought it was Joseph Josephs, who was a butcher?  Ignore me, I'm gettingmy generations muddled

[melba_schmelba]

Well John Joseph who we think was Joseph's father was a Dealer in1891.

I suspect 'Antique ' was an euphemism for second hand.

Well I am not certain about that, as I can't find a Joseph with a mother Lazarus. Rachael appears on the 1861 census with her parents Israel & Anne Lazarus, daughter Fanny aged 4, and son Emanuel, 3, at 11, Boars' Head Yard, Middlesex Street, Whitechapel. Perhaps John Joseph was an uncle of Joseph Joseph(s) rather than father. If we can get the marriage it should clear things up. The story about antique dealing back to 1702 can probably be taken with a rather large pinch of salt

Lots more photos of Julia James on the National Portrait Gallery site
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp54003/julia-james

[Andy J2022]

As there is a clear Jewish element to this story, has anyone considered checking the London Jewish records? A long time ago, I did some work on a Jewish family who arrived in the UK from Eastern Europe in the mid nineteenth century and there were all sorts of useful records which were maintained by synagogues to prove someone's Jewish heritage (which comes down the female line) which was (and possibly still is) very important to the Jewish faith.
 
Maybe someone with more experience on this subject could advise.