Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing

[jaywit]

This is possibly Louis's son.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/151179128/simon-leslie-joseph

If you look at USA / UK passenger lists Louis and family travelled regularly 1st. class between Boston /New York and England and it appears Louis settled in the USA.

[mckha489]

There was a newspaper report of an Annie (I can’t remember which surname at the mo) pawning a pair of diamond earrings she said were hers. They held her in jail while they waited for them to be reported stolen,  but they weren’t.

[Annie65115]

I know all this info has already been found and posted in previous posts, but it took me some time to find the relevant post again so to try to help, I have tried to do a round up of the putative Joseph/Levy family, thus:

Marriages Mar 1886   (>99%)
Joseph    Joseph         London C    1c   137    
LEVY    Hannah         London City    1c   137

Births which then tie in:
JOSEPH, LEWIS        LEVY     
GRO Reference: 1886  D Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 417

JOSEPH, JULIA        LEVY     
GRO Reference: 1888  M Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 426

JOSEPH, ELIZABETH        LEVY     
GRO Reference: 1890  M Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 4

JOSEPH, MOSES        LEVY     
GRO Reference: 1892  M Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 4

Another one, prob/poss not relevant because of course there was already a Lewis?
JOSEPH, LOUIS  JOSEPH      LEVY     
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 184  (died the same quarter)

    

    

[Annie65115]

There was a newspaper report of an Annie (I can’t remember which surname at the mo) pawning a pair of diamond earrings she said were hers. They held her in jail while they waited for them to be reported stolen,  but they weren’t.

I've just seen that. It was in March 1898, the name Annie Josephs, age 30, occ waistcoat maker. I can't see that an address was given for her but the area was Hoxton.

[mckha489]

Deleted, double up, sorry

[jaywit]

I know all this info has already been found and posted in previous posts, but it took me some time to find the relevant post again so to try to help, I have tried to do a round up of the putative Joseph/Levy family, thus:

Marriages Mar 1886   (>99%)
Joseph    Joseph         London C    1c   137    
LEVY    Hannah         London City    1c   137

Births which then tie in:
JOSEPH, LEWIS        LEVY     
GRO Reference: 1886  D Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 417

JOSEPH, JULIA        LEVY     
GRO Reference: 1888  M Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 426

JOSEPH, ELIZABETH        LEVY     
GRO Reference: 1890  M Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 4

JOSEPH, MOSES        LEVY     
GRO Reference: 1892  M Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 4

Another one, prob/poss not relevant because of course there was already a Lewis?
JOSEPH, LOUIS  JOSEPH      LEVY     
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 184  (died the same quarter)

On Louis's gravestone his date of birth is given as 19/10/1886 so that ties up with Louis's birth reg.

[melba_schmelba]

Have been looking at a family for ages tonight feeling sure I am wrong but here we go..

I looked for a Julia and Annie and came up with the Joseph(s)family 1891

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3T7V-66Z

Looking at the children on this census, Julia and Louis birth as Cannonbury, Elizabeth Aldgate, I think MMN is Levy which could be the marriage of JJ to Hannah Levy Q1 1886 London City

Joseph occ butcher

JJ is still in Middlesex St. to 1892 (electoral reg.) and then JJ and Louis can be found in Liverpool 1901, occ butcher, married

RG13/3417/59/55

1911 JJ is an antiques dealer still with Louis and JJ still married

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWRT-YKX

Meanwhile in the electoral reg. an Annie Joseph(s) appears at 11 Bloomsbury Square from 1893 to 1897, can't find Annie Joseph(s) 1901 and wondered if she became Annie James.

Have absolutely no idea about Maurice but finding an Elizabeth in the household 1891 got me searching!

Just noting also that it looks like JJ died back in Middlesex 1924 from the probate calendar

In 1891, Joseph Josephs (30 b.c. 1861 Whitechapel) and family are at the same number, 39, Middlesex Street, Aldgate, as a John Joseph, 59 (b.c. 1832 Aldgate) dealer, and wife Rachael, 54 (b.c. 1837 Whitechapel) & family, who would be the right age to be Joseph's siblings, all born in Aldgate:

Emanuel Joseph, 32 (b.c. 1859), bookseller
Leah Joseph, 24 (b.c. 1867) dressmaker
Phoebe Joseph, 21 (b.c. 1870) dressmaker
Israel Joseph, 20 (b.c. 1871) paralysed
Anne Joseph, 18 (b.c. 1873) dressmaker
Solomon Joseph, 17 (b.c. 1874) bookseller
Sarah Joseph, 15 (b.c. 1876) dressmaker
Elizabeth Joseph, 14 (b.c. 1877) scholar

UPDATE: mother (presumably Rachael)'s maiden name appears to be Lazarus

JOSEPH, EMANUEL        LAZARUS     
GRO Reference: 1857  D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL  Volume 01C  Page 360
JOSEPH, LEAH        LAZARUS     
GRO Reference: 1867  M Quarter in EAST LONDON  Volume 01C  Page 1
JOSEPH, PHOEBE        LAZARUS     
GRO Reference: 1869  J Quarter in EAST LONDON  Volume 01C  Page 9
JOSEPH, ISRAEL        LAZARUS     
GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 8
JOSEPH, NANCY        LAZARUS     
GRO Reference: 1872  S Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 8
JOSEPH, SOLOMON  HENRY      LAZARUS     
GRO Reference: 1874  M Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 7
JOSEPH, SARAH        LAZARUS     
GRO Reference: 1875  D Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 1
JOSEPH, ELIZABETH        LAZARUS     
GRO Reference: 1877  M Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 5

[Annie65115]

Well this family is almost certainly Jewish. And as I said before, if this is Julia's family, it's ironic to say the least that she was married to a wealthy industrialist who seemed quite keen to play the Aryan game in Vichy France.

I suspect John James was a fictional (non-Jewish) father, conveniently dead by the time she started getting noticed.

This doesn't answer the question of where any money came from though. Could her mother maybe have inherited something? The Joseph Joseph/s in the newspaper report doesn't sound the sort to have given his abused wife a decent payout.

[melba_schmelba]

Well this family is almost certainly Jewish. And as I said before, if this is Julia's family, it's ironic to say the least that she was married to a wealthy industrialist who seemed quite keen to play the Aryan game in Vichy France.

I suspect John James was a fictional (non-Jewish) father, conveniently dead by the time she started getting noticed.

This doesn't answer the question of where any money came from though. Could her mother maybe have inherited something? The Joseph Joseph/s in the newspaper report doesn't sound the sort to have given his abused wife a decent payout.

I had a look on Ancestry trees, and there are two that have information on Louis and his family in the States, but no further information going back on the parents. You would either need to get the marriage certificate and work from there, or try some of the indexes (now I think subscription only?) on Jewishgen that has a lot of synagogue marriages indexed.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/London_Jewish_Records

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/25140417/person/26083135050/facts
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/163807182/person/202129191847/facts