Looking for parents of Arthur John Hughes. .

[Jean003]

Nsw marriage registration transcription ref no 1882/1582
Groom-Arthur John Hughes
 Status- widower
 place of birth- Tasmania
 occupation- quarryman
 age (none recorded)
 usual residence- Pyrmont
 father- (none recorded)
 occupation- (none recorded)
 mother- (none recorded)
 bride- Emily Pearse
 statu-s spinster
 place of birth- Tasmania
 occupation- (none recorded)
 age- (none recorded)
usual residence- Pyrmont
 father- (none recorded)
 occupation- (none recorded)
 mother (none recorded)
 date of marriage- 14 Oct 1882
 place of marriage- residence of C H Pearse, Crown Street Pyrmont
 religion- primitive methodist
 witnesses- C H Pearse, E Pearse
 minister- John Penman
 birthplace, age and parent details (where recorded) were copied from church register no 945 on 18 Jun 1931

[Jean003]

 NSW death registration transcription ref no 1916/2990
 Name- Arthur John Hughes
 date of death- 23 Jan 1916
 place- "Oxleigh" Breelong West, Gilgandra Shire
 occupation- labourer
 sex- male
 age 65
 conjugal status
 place of birth- Wales
 time in Aust colonies- 40 years in NSW
 father- Robert Hughes
 occupation- soldier
 mother- not known
 place of marriage- 1. Pyrmont NSW     2. Pyrmont NSW
 age at marriage- 1. 23yrs    2. 31yrs
 name of spouse 1. Margaret Farquhar 2. Emily Pearse
 children of marriage - 1. Elizabeth J 39, living; 1 male, 1 female deceased
 2. Arthur H  29, Emily B  27, Doris M L  20, Charles T 18, living; none deceased
 Informant- H C Stiles, son-in-law, Breelong;
 Witness-  John Smirthwaite
 cause of death-  1. Acute toxic gastro-enteritis 2. Exhaustion
 length of illness- 1. 10 days
 medical attendant- Henry Peet
 date last seen- 22 Jan 1916 (altered from 23 Jan 1916)
 date of burial- 25 Jan 1916
 place of burial- Methodist Cemetery, Gilgandra
 minister & religion- William Jenkins
 methodist undertaker- John Smirthwaite
 witnesses- W Butler, D J Butler
registered 8 Feb 1916 – Gilgandra

[Jean003]

Hopefully I have done it correctly this time 

[sparrett]

This may be her death which names her parents
 
WEIR CATHERINE
15779/1923
Father ROBERT C
Mother AUGUSTA S
At WAVERLEY

Sue

This woman is Catherine SPRINGETT, daughter of Robert Coleman SPRINGETT and Augusta Sophia PERRY.  She married Edwin CURTIS in 1870.  Edwin was a jeweller, but was in the third regiment volunteer infantry in Bathurst.

Debra 

Well another good theory gone

The MATTHEWS connection looks strong, I agree.

Sue

[maddys52]

For interest, there is a John A HUGHES, quarryman, at Saunders Lane (off Mount St), Pyrmont in 1879 in the Sydney Sands Directory. Have you any other records where he is John?
https://archives.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/nodes/view/1898979 page 104 in the directory. (page 50 of 415 digitised)

Modified to add:
Actually, I see re-reading some of the certificates do have his name as John.

[Jean003]

found more-

Birth registration of Emily Beatrice Hughes
reg no. 017
name -Emily Beatrice Hughes
date of birth- 10 May 1889
place of birth- Hobart, Tasmania
sex- female
father- Arthur John Hughes
occupation- quarryman
mother- Emily Pearse
informant- A J Hughes, 59 Liverpool St, Hobart, Tasmania
registered- 25 June 1889



Birth registration of Arthur Robert Hughes
ref. no 1876/80
name- Arthur Robert Hughes
sex- male
date of birth- 6 Dec 1875
place- John St, Pyrmont
father- Arthur John Hughes
birthplace- Wales
occupation- Mariner
age-25
date of marriage- 19 Dec 1874
place of marriage- Sydney
mother- Margaret Farquhar
birthplace- Hobart, Tasmania
age-23
informant- (signed) Margaret Hughes, mother, Mill St Pyrmont
present at birth- T H Gillman M. D, Mrs Kirk
registered- 10 Jan 1876, Sydney

[Jean003]

so birth reg of son Arthur Robert says Arthur John's birthplace is Wales & then Emily Beatrice is born in Hobart, Tasmania.
So confusing

[sparrett]

 
just trying to pinpoint the time of place of birth change

1874 In December 1874 bachelor Arthur a mariner, marries Margaret Farquhar. at Kent Street Sydney. He lives in Sydney but the bride lives usually in Hobart. Arthur's sister (presumptive) is a witness.

1875. Remaining in Sydney first child Arthur Robert arrives December 1875 Margaret registers the birth and says the father Arthur is a mariner and was born in Wales.

1877. This child dies in 1877 and by then the father Arthur is a quarryman.
1877. Also in this year in October, daughter Elizabeth is born in Sydney and again Margaret registers the birth and now states Arthur was  born in Hobart and is a quarryman.

1916. Wales is not seen again as a birthplace for Arthur until it appears on his 1916 death certificate which is informed by a son-in-law Herbert C Stiles who married Arthur's daughter Emily (from his Pearse marriage).

It seems like a family truth has come out after the man's death.
We wonder was there a concealment of origins?

Sue


 

 

[Jean003]

Definitely looks like there’s either been concealment or some type of mix up.
I don’t know how to find out the truth tho.
I have done a DNA test but I’m struggling with how to use the results to possibly get the info.